Roses forum: Does someone know which rose variety this is?

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Name: Henri Sabatini
Southern Brazil (Zone 9b)
henrisabatini
Oct 16, 2018 9:02 AM CST
Hello, I cannot identificate which variety this is, I suspect it may be Rosa gallica.
I thought it could be Rosa × damascena but the leaves are slightly different, and this rose isn't extremely aromatic... It just exhales a mild scent.
Its hips are red, round about 1/2 an inch, and it is full of spines along the flower stems.
Thank you!
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Name: Christopher
New Brunswick, NJ, USA (Zone 7a)
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AquaEyes
Oct 16, 2018 9:11 AM CST
It is neither -- this rose is a complex modern hybrid, not a species, and not an Old Garden Rose. The first thing I thought of was something along the lines of 'Carefree Beauty', but now that I look more closely, I think the foliage is a bit different. In any case, being as you're in Brazil, I don't know what varieties are available there, so I couldn't offer suggestions. Each of us would think of what roses we know are offered where we are, and not think of all the others that aren't, and with which we aren't familiar.

So, short version is I know what it isn't, but not what it is.

:-)

~Christopher
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Oct 16, 2018 10:42 AM CST
It would also be helpful to know the location and situation. Can we know if this is a "lost" rose at an old site? Or a rose planted in recent years?

Also, how big is the plant? Can we possibly see an image of the entire plant?
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 16, 2018 12:06 PM CST
My first thought, too, was Carefree Beauty. But I'm not sure. Smiling
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
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porkpal
Oct 16, 2018 12:20 PM CST
I don't think so. At least mine does not have that shading in the petals.
Porkpal
Name: Henri Sabatini
Southern Brazil (Zone 9b)
henrisabatini
Oct 16, 2018 6:58 PM CST
jerijen said:It would also be helpful to know the location and situation. Can we know if this is a "lost" rose at an old site? Or a rose planted in recent years?

Also, how big is the plant? Can we possibly see an image of the entire plant?

Well, this rose was planted by my grandfather years ago... But he doesn't know the variety as well. And yes, I have a photo of the entire plant. My grandfather keeps it pruned but if he didn't it would reach a bit more than 1 metre or so.
Thank you for your help!
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
Oct 16, 2018 9:29 PM CST
Now it make me think of Climbing Pinkie. Is it a repeat bloomer?
Porkpal
Name: Henri Sabatini
Southern Brazil (Zone 9b)
henrisabatini
Oct 17, 2018 1:29 PM CST
porkpal said:Now it make me think of Climbing Pinkie. Is it a repeat bloomer?

Hello, I think it is a repeat bloomer but I am not sure since my grandfather prunes it to instigate flowering over and over. All I know is it does not bloom from April onwards (autumn here) and its leaves turn yellow and fall.
Thank you
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Oct 17, 2018 1:46 PM CST
What I can see of the foliage makes me pretty sure this is not a Gallica. I'm thinking it is a Shrub Rose or maybe a Floribunda.

But as Christopher said, it's hard to know what varieties might be available in Grandfather's area.

You probably need someone in the local rose community -- who might know it immediately.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
Oct 17, 2018 3:16 PM CST
Perhaps Arturo @hampartsum could help. He lives in the same hemisphere at least.
Porkpal

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