Roses forum→Lady of Shalott: Shrub or Climber?

Views: 5077, Replies: 9 » Jump to the end
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
Image
Rose_Guy1127
Oct 22, 2018 12:28 AM CST
I planted the Lady of Shalott, a shrub, in June this year. Being an own-root, it took a while for it to get established, but once it did, there was no stopping it in regards to beautiful blooms and overall growth. However, during the last couple of weeks, I observed a couple of canes growing taller, as seen in the images below. The cane got taller that I started suspecting that, perhaps DA shipped me a climber by mistake. I double checked my order history, and it shows that I ordered the shrub. As of today, the cane is 6 ft tall, only a feet shy from matching the 7 ft tall trellis that I placed next to it for the Florentina climber. I am aware that the DA specification of the rose characteristic is not accurate, considering the weather here in the U.S. In the website the Lady of Shalott shrub is listed to grow up to 4 ft. Perhaps the 2 ft difference could be because of the San Francisco's (and my neighborhood) favorable microclimate condition? Bottom-line, I will make necessary changes IF my Lady of Shalott turns out to be a climber, but I would like to know for sure. What are everyone's thoughts on this? It would be much appreciated to hear members' suggestions on treating/training it IF they believe it to be a climber. I have no experience so far in training a climber.

Note: I purposely took the picture at night to emphasize the height of the cane for I felt it was quite hard to capture the (cane) height during the day given the white wall/background.

Thumb of 2018-10-22/Rose_Guy1127/76b65b


Thumb of 2018-10-22/Rose_Guy1127/4c136e

Feet shy from matching the height of the 7' tall trellis.


Thumb of 2018-10-22/Rose_Guy1127/a466c7

Morning shot:

Thumb of 2018-10-22/Rose_Guy1127/60d77c

[Last edited by Rose_Guy1127 - Oct 22, 2018 1:34 AM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #1841080 (1)
(Zone 5b)
Bookworm The WITWIT Badge Moon Gardener Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Native Plants and Wildflowers Roses
Vermiculture Frogs and Toads Birds Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge)
Tisha
Oct 22, 2018 2:01 AM CST
Grafted bare root , climbers reach up to 8'.
Yep, looks like you have a happy rose!
In ground planted rose in front of a utility meter?




Simple on a Schedule
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
Image
Kristinelego
Oct 22, 2018 8:21 AM CST
My two new LOS send out those long canes and I trim them back. I found that mine , became it is young has many thin canes going everywhere . I am trying to keep it somewhat under control.
Thumb of 2018-10-22/Kristinelego/319375

You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Cat Lover Keeper of Poultry Keeps Horses I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Plant Identifier Raises cows Roses Farmer Celebrating Gardening: 2015
porkpal
Oct 22, 2018 8:46 AM CST
I think Austin roses are known for sending out rebel canes - even if they are not climbers.
Porkpal
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
Roses
Image
Mustbnuts
Oct 22, 2018 8:53 AM CST
I have had an own root LOS for the past 5 years give or take. Yes, it is a big bush here in California. Long canes are not unusual. Mine sends out long canes as well. Canes tend to be thin (so far). I just keep cutting her back to about 6 feet in height.

I think there is something in the soil in England where DA grows its roses that keeps them in mini form compared to the US, or he rushes them to market before really seeing the "true" height once they become established. Rolling my eyes. (just kidding)
(Zone 5b)
Bookworm The WITWIT Badge Moon Gardener Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Native Plants and Wildflowers Roses
Vermiculture Frogs and Toads Birds Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge)
Tisha
Oct 22, 2018 10:09 AM CST
Seams like there would be several variables in the growing conditions.
Different soil compositions, strength of solar rays, trace minerals in soil or water. And I keep wondering about ph variations.
Our Big Blue Marble, and all her mysteries.
Simple on a Schedule
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
Image
Rose_Guy1127
Oct 22, 2018 12:42 PM CST
@Tisha: Yup, the plan is to let the climber cover the smart meter. There is an additional reading screen outside the garage so that the PG&E guy won't have to rely on this meter for readings. I agree about the variables that either make or break the plant. I try not to get carried away with the soil/ph variation and trace minerals so as not to overwhelm myself, but you're right, all these variables are directly correlated to the overall healthy state of a plant.

@Kristinelego: Your LOS is gorgeous! I agree that I may probably trim the taller canes because I am not tall enough to tend to it if it keeps growing taller Hilarious!

@Porkpal: I believe you are right, because my other Austins does the same thing, but so like LOS. Perhaps that could be because they are all in bigger containers whereas LOS is planted in the ground.

@Mustbnuts: I thought the same thing about him rushing his roses to get registered in the market before recording the plant's true growth potential Rolling on the floor laughing
It a reassuring to know yours grow up to 6 ft tall as well. Guess I will trim it then. For a minute I thought DA sent me a climber.
Name: Kris Legault
Southern Oregon (Zone 8a)
Image
Kristinelego
Oct 23, 2018 9:17 AM CST
In my zone 8, I always add at least a foot to what the DA site lists as the height. Same with Kordes, geeze, they can be giants here
You can't plant your new favorite rose if you are still watering your least favorite
Name: Mika
Oxfordshire, England and Mento
Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Foliage Fan Critters Allowed Daylilies Irises Roses
Hostas Birds Multi-Region Gardener Cat Lover Dog Lover Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
Image
cliftoncat
Oct 23, 2018 11:02 AM CST
We have Lady of Shalott (grafted) both in England and in the south of France. It's vigorous in both places, but if it's growing taller than you want, don't hesitate to hard prune it, it bounces right back! I tend to prune ours to around 3 1/2 to 4 feet, so that by the end of the season they're still not too tall.

Like Kris, I find that all my DA roses grow taller than the guidelines provided by DA.
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
Image
Rose_Guy1127
Oct 23, 2018 11:52 PM CST
@Cliftoncat: Good to know, thanks! I pruned the tall canes yesterday. I guess as a first time rose grower, I am learning to prune/shape the rose bush slowly but surely. It's all a learning process.

@Kristinelego: I agree! As much as it is rewarding to watch roses putting up new growth, I would like for it to maintain a proper shape than letting it grow wild.

« Garden.org Homepage
« Back to the top
« Forums List
« Roses forum
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.

Member Login:

[ Join now ]

Today's site banner is by skopjecollection and is called "Aeonium arboreum"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.