Roses forum: Ugly duckling or swan?

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Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Oct 22, 2018 9:10 AM CST
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but did you ever have a rose that started out as what you wondered was an ugly duckling that eventually turned into a beautiful swan? (btw, I think ducklings are very cute--so I am not sure about the ugly duckling part). Also am curious about the reverse--loved the rose at first and then not so much afterwards?

First for me, the only ones I can think of, off the top of my head, would have been Jude the Obscure. Everyone raved about this rose when it first came out. It was "the best" Austin at the time, etc. Pretty much a once bloomer for me (I think because of my weather) and that was it. Glad it was gone after 10 years or so of waiting until it would "get better." It never did. For me, swan to ugly duckling.

Same for Midnight Blue. Again because of my weather, blooms faded in less than a day to an ugly color. It is now gone.

In my naivety, at first, I was not overly impressed by Halo Sweetie. I now, after many years, just love this rose. I love its consistency. It always has blooms on it. No disease whatsoever. Makes lots and lots of hips. Flowers will change colors as they age. Hangs on to its blooms forever. It always looks good. Does well in heat and drought.
Great little rose!
central Arizona (Zone 6b)
Genevre
Oct 22, 2018 9:41 AM CST
In my case it was wimpy, tiny blooms on two gallicas and an eglantine hybrid two years ago, compared with much larger and prettier blooms from them this spring. The varieties are Alain Blanchard, Tuscany Superb and Hebe's Lip. I think what happened is that the small blooms were from each bush's first bloom season. I'm hoping for even larger and better blooms next spring.
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
Oct 26, 2018 3:30 AM CST
Carefree Beauty...thin petals, balls in moderate humidity, blooms fade into an odd pink/blue tone, dumps petals into an unattractive carpet of light grey to brown.

Sparrieshoop...I got due to it's lineage, it didn't look of much in pictures but I assumed it'd have some interesting genetics to breed with. While it's a single (so may not appeal to everyone), the flowers are fairly large, thick petaled, fragrant, hasn't shown sign of blackspot (and it is surrounded by it). I think it's a very under rated plant.

Julia Child....it was the worst BS infected plant I've had. I'm sure it has to be fine elsewhere but it doesn't seem to have any resistance to BS strains in Sydney.

Typhoon...nice flower colour, awful BS infection

Honey Bouquet....weird unknown fugal issue with it.
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 27, 2018 12:09 PM CST
Evelyn...first year, beautiful roses...last 3 years...maybe one awful bloom/summer. What a shame...the flowers were so beautiful!! I'm trying to rejuvenate it by changing the soil to a different type of soil, and by cutting holes along the side of the pot so that air pruning can occur with vigorous inner root growth. We'll see what happens.


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Mustbnuts
Oct 28, 2018 6:05 AM CST
Protoavis, would love to see some of the blooms that you have hybridized. Interesting about Julia. Most folks in the States seem to rave about this one (that I have seen) although I am starting to hear about some of the problems that she seems to have.

Carol, I too was wow'd by Evelyn at first. She hates the heat in my garden and when she reverted back to rootstock, I did not replace her. I have much too small a spot for practically once bloomers (although I do keep my Brother Cadfael--his scent is just to die for along with his beautiful big blooms). He does make hips, so I am hoping to breed him this coming spring. Very easy to grow on his own root too.

Brother Cadfael


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One of the roses I miss and wish I had again was a DA rose, Peach Blossom. Made hips like crazy. First and last to bloom in my yard. Could really take the heat. Beautiful single to double rose. Had to remove it as the trees/bushes in the green belt area behind my yard took root in the middle of it and I could not remove them.

Peach Blossom




Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 28, 2018 12:00 PM CST
Mustbnuts - yes, this is Evelyn's last year in my yard unless she gets better. I really, really hope it improves!!! Bro Cadfael is another one I had that barely bloomed. Yours looks beautiful...especially when I enlarged the picture. Lovey dubby I've come to the conclusion that Austins don't like how I grow them D'Oh! ...and I won't be buying anymore unfortunately. Glare

Too bad about your PB...she's a beauty!! Can you find that one again?

Carol
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
Oct 29, 2018 5:54 PM CST
Mustbnuts said:Protoavis, would love to see some of the blooms that you have hybridized. Interesting about Julia. Most folks in the States seem to rave about this one (that I have seen) although I am starting to hear about some of the problems that she seems to have.


Honestly it surprised me too given how frequently I read positives about it. Assume it has resistance to specific strains of BS but not general resistance to BS.

Nothing super exciting blooming so far, everything is similar to one of the parents just slightly better health of the seedlings blooming this year so far. Still a bunch to go though.
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Name: Shyam
San Francisco, CA (Zone 10b)
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Rose_Guy1127
Oct 31, 2018 12:47 AM CST
For me, it would be the Pumpkin Pie. I wouldn't say it was an ugly duckling, but the bloom has definitely gotten better in color and form now. Here is the image comparison of before/after.

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Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Oct 31, 2018 9:18 AM CST
Wow! What a difference on Pumpkin Pie. It looks delicious (pun intended). I always get a bit frustrated with folks who have a rose less than 6 months and decide they don't like it. Especially if it is a good rose for their area. You have to give them time to mature. With my Vick's Caprice, I almost gave up on him after a couple of years. This summer (when it has been hotter than Hades) and right now in the fall, he is blooming away. Huge flowers. Really pretty. I am so glad he is not being a sly devil anymore when it comes to blooms, like he used to be. However, it has taken about 5 years for him to really come into his own (he is own root as well so that accounts for part of it). He is really starting to get quite big as a plant. If he continues to grow, I may have to take out my Alnwick rose and have Vick take over that spot. I find Alnwick to be a so-so upright Austin. I barely can smell it and folks rave about the scent all the time. Now Vick, I can smell (still have to be up close and personal however in order to get his scent which is really lovely).
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
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Canadian_Rose
Oct 31, 2018 12:05 PM CST
Yes, that's a huge difference in Pumpkin Pie! It is soooo gorgeous!!! I'm glad you hung onto it!

Mustbnuts - I don't have much fragrance on my The Alnwick Rose either. Every once in a while I smell something raspberry-ish....but no big shakes.

Carol

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