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Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Nov 7, 2018 8:43 PM CST
I have run across a few articles and or stories with lilies, roses, grasses, orchids, with fascinating stories and I would love to hear more. How did we get to were we are with the belief that grass lawns should be promoted? What is the history behind orchids? Please share your historic accounts of the wonderful world of horticulture. The good, bad, and ugly. Please share.
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Nov 7, 2018 9:18 PM CST
I want to include some well known names that we all know as some of the leading hybrid makers in their field. The subject is endless and incredibly fascinating. This includes pesticides, herbicides, and the like. I brought up Monsanto with a relative and he told me stories of how the sales men would knock on your door offering for free the products and how that changed. Lots of stories out there that I would love to hear.

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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 7, 2018 9:31 PM CST
Oh dear, I was just getting ready to take some time off the site and you start the most fascinating thread! Big Grin
I LOVE plant history, folklore, etc. Last winter, to get my mind off the cold I made a list of all the plants in my garden and started researching them, then writing about their history on my blog. I learned so much and am still learning. It makes a garden even more interesting when you know where your plants came from, who they were named after, what they have been used for, legends and superstitions about them...the list goes on! Even the commonest weeds have stories to tell!

My new blog: https://yeflowerlovers.blogspo...
"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Nov 7, 2018 9:41 PM CST
Joanna, I am glad to keep you around. Please share some of your findings! No matter how mundane it might seem, all of the information we have collected makes up at least a small part of what we do now in our gardens. Truly interesting in my opinion.
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Nov 7, 2018 9:54 PM CST
This piece that @stone posted on another thread got me thinking about all of this. http://www.naturalsequencefarm How much bias history do I subscribe to? What do I think I know and why? What history have I read or believed? Who am I as a gardener? I know....I am being super cheezy......but think about it.

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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 8, 2018 7:13 AM CST
Here are some of the articles I've written if you're interested. You don't have to read them all, but if you do find them interesting, I have more! Big Grin

Castor Bean: http://www.heirloomgardener.co...
Foxglove: http://heirloomcottagegarden.w...
Heartsease: http://heirloomcottagegarden.w...
Mugwort: http://heirloomcottagegarden.w...
Twinflower: http://heirloomcottagegarden.w...
My new blog: https://yeflowerlovers.blogspo...
"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Nov 8, 2018 10:20 AM CST
Thank you Joanna, for sharing these. I will read all of them later tonight. Thumbs up
Name: stone
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stone
Nov 8, 2018 1:53 PM CST
Esperanza said:This piece that stone posted on another thread got me thinking about all of this. http://www.naturalsequencefarm...

How much bias history do I subscribe to? What do I think I know and why? What history have I read or believed? Who am I as a gardener? I know....I am being super cheezy......but think about it.


Fixed the link...

Probably woulda been simpler to have just linked to the original post... (or thread)


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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 19, 2018 8:12 PM CST
A little history on Marvel of Peru/Four O'clock I just posted on my blog. It was sitting in my drafts since last April, waiting for cold weather to put me in the mood for writing again. Smiling
http://heirloomcottagegarden.w...
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"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky
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purpleinopp
Nov 22, 2018 9:07 AM CST
The name of this book is self-explanatory: The Lawn; a History of an American Obsession https://www.amazon.com/dp/1560984066/

Poorly organized (if one prefers to absorb history by a timeline) but interesting book. Some pics of old ads for various yard/garden items.

This book gets more into the environmental impact of lawn/mowed area vs. non-mowed area:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0300086946/
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ
The less I interfere, the more balance mother nature provides.
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง ๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€๐ŸŒบ
โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“ The only way to succeed is to try.
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Name: Larisa
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GreenTara18
Nov 24, 2018 2:59 PM CST
I know and love many folklore stories about plants. But this applies more to Russia, of course.

For example, wreaths of flowers. Nowadays it's just a decoration. I myself loved to make wreaths in childhood. But in the good old days, wreaths had a special meaning.

All the girls who have already turned 13, but who were not yet married, made a "Wreath of Love" on the head of fresh flowers. In this wreath there are chamomile, flowers apples and cherries, flowers of viburnum. To emphasize not only their beauty, but also the mind, young girls added hops.

Wreath Girls: it was made from chamomile and cornflower, occasionally adding other flowers that were combined with the main ones.

Wreath of Devotion: For married women and engaged girls there is a wreath of Devotion. The basis of the wreath consists of cornflowers blooming lovage and Levisticum.

ย When the girl gave birth to her first child, she wove a wreath of roses, decorated with green leaves.

The girls made a wreath of the last spikelets when they harvested the harvest. This wreath was put on the head of the most beautiful unmarried girl in the settlement. They went to the village, sang and danced. This ceremony is a sign that the harvest season is over. Smiling
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Nov 24, 2018 3:10 PM CST
Regarding Orchids -
I like this one. I find it interesting and quite charming.

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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 24, 2018 9:21 PM CST
@GreenTara18, thank you for sharing that! I love reading about plants' places in other cultures as well and Russia seems to have some interesting traditions, although my not understanding much of the language is a hindrance to learning much about it. *Blush* Did you happen to read my post about Mugwort I shared earlier in this thread ( http://heirloomcottagegarden.w... )? I shared a Russian legend associated with it. Are you familiar with the story, or any others?
My new blog: https://yeflowerlovers.blogspo...
"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky
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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 24, 2018 9:22 PM CST
Thank you for sharing that! It does look very interesting! Will definitely be going back to read it when I have a chance! Thumbs up

Ursula said:Regarding Orchids -
I like this one. I find it interesting and quite charming.


My new blog: https://yeflowerlovers.blogspo...
"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky
Name: Larisa
Russia, Moscow (Zone 5a)
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GreenTara18
Nov 25, 2018 1:09 PM CST
JHeirloomSeeds said:@GreenTara18, thank you for sharing that! I love reading about plants' places in other cultures as well and Russia seems to have some interesting traditions, although my not understanding much of the language is a hindrance to learning much about it. *Blush* Did you happen to read my post about Mugwort I shared earlier in this thread ( http://heirloomcottagegarden.w... )? I shared a Russian legend associated with it. Are you familiar with the story, or any others?


I read it with great interest. Smiling
I did not know the legend of snakes. But I collected a lot of herbs with my grandmother when I was little. Mogworth too.
Mogworth is used for different purposes, but you can make a soothing bath. Take 1 cup of leaves of wormwood and mint, hop flowers, pour 5 liters of boiling water, leave for 3 hours and pour the resulting infusion into the prepared bath. Smiling

But today I want to tell another story about thistle.

In Roman mythology, Ceres, the goddess of the harvest, the patroness of fertility, lights a torch from a dry thistle.

Thistle is a symbol of Scotland.

There is a legend that the Vikings landed on the coast in the eastern part of Scotland in order to plunder and seize territory. The Scots gathered their troops to repel the enemies. The Scots army was very tired after a long journey. They did not expect the battle to start before the next morning.

But the Vikings were very close and noticed that there were no sentries in the Scots camp. They crossed the River Tay, hoping to seize the Scots suddenly, and that their steps were not heard, the Scandinavians took off their shoes and sneaked almost silently. But one of the Vikings stepped on the thistle, a sudden and sharp pain made him scream. This scream was a wake-up call for the Scots who won in a fair fight.

ย ย The thistle was adopted as the emblem of Scotland.

Thistle is also a defense against the "forces of evil." Thistle is a talisman for the house, if you put it above the door. I personally have it in my country house. Smiling

In Moscow there is the Tretyakov Gallery. This is a museum of paintings. If you like paintings, you probably also noticed that the paintings of brilliant artists have an impact on the viewer. It seems that the artist added a part of his soul to the paint. I love landscapes. It seems to me that I feel joy with the artist, if it is a summer meadow or forest. I feel anxious if it's a thunderstorm.

In the Tretyakov Gallery there is a hall of the artist Vrubel. Among his paintings are many mystical. For example, "By night".

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The crimson flowers of the thistle, the red horse โ€” everything seems to bear the marks of the bygone sun ... Horses walk against the dark sky. And the fabulous shepherd, with a huge mane of hair, with a mighty torso and small horns, grazes the herd.

Or another picture of Vrubel. "Flight of Faust and Mephistopheles"

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Night. A pair of shaggy horses rushes over a small medieval town. Manes fluttering in the wind. Mephistopheles sits astride a white-maned horse. He looks at Faust with triumph. In the foreground of the picture is also a thistle.

If you visit the museum, the guide will tell you that Vrubel specially placed the thistle in the foreground of the picture. Because the thistle creates a border between the worlds and does not allow evil to penetrate into our world. Smiling



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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 25, 2018 2:19 PM CST
Very interesting, Larisa!! Somehow it has always been in the back of my mind that the Thistle was a symbol of Scotland but I didn't know why until now! Smiling Please do share more of your plant histories with us!!
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"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky

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JHeirloomSeeds
Nov 28, 2018 8:18 PM CST
Couldn't make up my mind whether to post this here or in the weeds thread but here goes. Just a lowly, pesky little weed, but it made my day today when I found it blooming under 2 feet of snow! http://heirloomcottagegarden.w...
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"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky
Name: Larisa
Russia, Moscow (Zone 5a)
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GreenTara18
Dec 1, 2018 4:00 PM CST
Lythrum sallcarla is one of the plants that grows in the wild and gardens. I have it too. Smiling

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The botanical name Lythrum is of ancient Greek origin and means "coagulated blood": this plant has hemostatic properties.

In Russia, Lythrum has several folklore folk names. The most famous name is Crying- grass. Usually this plant grows near water, so early in the morning its leaves emit moisture, water droplets. It looks like the plant is crying.

Lythrum also has the name "God's grass". Before Christianity, pagans called this plant "Tears of the Goddess Lada." And according to Christian mythology, the Crying- grass grew out of the tears of the Virgin mourning the crucified Jesus.

The mention of Lythrum can be found in ancient manuscript books about plants.
There, this plant is called the "mother of all herbs."
"There is a grass. The name is Crying-grass, it grows near rivers and lakes, it is high like hemp, the color is purple ... Its flowers are like a torch, and in the mornings it cries with bright tears."

Here is a fragment from Alexey Tolstoy's classic book "Silver prince" "There is still Crying-grass, if you cut a cross from the root and hang it around your neck, everyone will be afraid of you like fire".

Crying - grass makes other herbs stronger. Therefore, if you collect herbs and herbs for tea, you need to keep the Lythrum flower next to you.
Old women herbalist , when they take a flower, say, "Oh, you are Crying-grass, the grass is pink, the grass is pink and all-powerful, Give the grass-mother strength to me and get rid of trouble."

Plakun grass flowers attract many butterflies, bees, and are an excellent honey plant.

It blooms very long and every morning I see a "cloud" of colorful butterflies around the flowers. Lovey dubby

Name: Will Currie
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UncleWill
Dec 1, 2018 4:30 PM CST
My family used to grow a lot of watermelons. One hard and fast rule was to never ever point at a melon or bloom lest it fall off the vine. They were always treated as something semi-mystical. I still don't know why a pine needle will spin on its own power when placed on a ripe melon but it will. I wish I could remember more of the old superstitions, I've forgotten so much.

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JHeirloomSeeds
Dec 1, 2018 5:27 PM CST
Larisa, that is very interesting! I think I know that plant as Purple Loosestrife. It grows along the roadsides here in Maine. Smiling
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"Look around you - the clear sky, the pure air, the tender grass, the birds; nature is beautiful and sinless, and we, only we, are foolish and we don't understand that life is heaven, for we have only to understand that and it will at once be fulfilled in all its beauty, we shall embrace each other and weep."
~Dostoevsky

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