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Name: daphne
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shizen
Nov 29, 2018 3:48 PM CST
Lovey dubby beauty!
Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Nov 29, 2018 6:01 PM CST
It can take a quite a while to go from seed to introduction. When Tom Johnson talked to our group last year he mentioned that he first selects those to observe another year, then he likes to see what a 2 year clump looks like. If it passes muster then they start to propagate to have enough to assure a big enough supply to sell. Depending on how fast they increase, that can take a few more years. He mentioned that the ones listed as bonuses are usually the ones that are fast growers. I'm sure there are other factors involved.
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Name: Lew
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LewEm
Nov 29, 2018 6:46 PM CST
lovemyhouse said:Asked for and received permission from Mike Sutton to start a thread for their 2019 introductions as they are posted on Sutton's Facebook page. Here are the first four:

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"Picture is of TB seedling AD-2-B which will be introduced in 2019."
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"Awesome garden flower from Anton Mego! To be introduced in 2019. Great branching, bud count, growth and bloom habits. Striking beards on very bright white flowers. Even though it is white it really pops in the garden. Not real happy with the single flower picture, doesn't portray it very well. it is wide and well formed with nice ruffling.
Will post names of all 2019 intros when they are confirmed.
Thanks for the amazing response to our cyber Monday gift card deal! Will be posting holiday deals in a week or so.

Updated single flower picture sent from Anton Mego, much nicer than mine!"

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"TB to be introduced in 2019. Names are all picked but haven't been confirmed yet, will update when they are."
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{{Okay, been reluctant to post this introduction. Have an impulse to hide it because I am greedy that way. Whistling At the end of the year, I usually get a plant gift certificate from my best friend. She generally chooses different vendors each year and last year was to Sutton. First time ever, I'm going to ask her, if she is gifting again this year, to repeat Sutton because I WANT this one and want to make sure I can stake a claim on it! Hilarious! Angel Hilarious! }}

"Looks like we will have enough of this one next year. Excellent color, branching bud count and growth habits. 9 buds with a slight sweet scent. Pretty excited to be introducing a plicata again, been a few years. Really like this one and have used it a lot in breeding. seedling AZ-121-C."
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Many thanks for posting these future introductions. I have been trying to find the identity of AD-2-B since I saw an unidentified photo of it online. I will try to obtain this beauty when available. Smiling
Name: Debra
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lovemyhouse
Nov 29, 2018 8:20 PM CST
Lew, when Sutton's posts the name, I will note it here--make it easier to find. Big Grin
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Name: Brad
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ARUBA1334
Nov 29, 2018 10:16 PM CST
Debra.. I especially like the peach one Lovey dubby I tried to order a number of there new intro's last year and got refunded from lack of stock looking forward to seeing what new ones they have coming down the pipeline Smiling

Monty..I think the timing could be different for each plant depending on growth some are really prolific and put on a ton of increase fast , you need a minimum of 100 plants at least that is my thinking have seen some go out with less and other growers have 1000's before it's named.

I like the Mid America process Tom mentioned once a seedling is flagged it is divided and lined out and left to sit for 2 years to see what it does in a 2year blooming clump if reselected then, plant is then divided and lined out again and left to sit in a 2 year clumps at that point you should be able to make a decision on it.

Very important to look at them after they have had a chance to settle in new blooming seedlings will perform differently depending on weather conditions. Late frosts like we get hit with will stunt the stalks and you never know what you got other than a pretty flower for the 1st year. In warmer climates lack of Cold and rain can lead to funny branching or pineappling affect so if the flower is good you need to have patience and give them time to perform. Hope that helps

Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Nov 29, 2018 11:00 PM CST
@LewEm ~ Welcome! to the Irises Forum! Hurray!

Brad ~ Last year in April, I had a spring warmup, followed by snow, then a warm sunny day followed by a hard frost. *Some* of the irises had pineappling and stuck leaves, which never grew out, as they started to emerge on the warmer sunny days, then the cold weather hit them, and they just stopped where they were. Fortunately, it was just a few of them. If it happens again, I will be keeping an eye on those same ones and then cull them.

“It was one of those March days when the sun shines hot and the wind blows cold, when it is summer in the light and winter in the shade.” ~Charles Dickens
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
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Polymerous
Nov 30, 2018 1:57 AM CST
What is "pineappling"? Blinking Confused
A 'Premonition of Spring' - PCI time already?!
Name: Debra
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lovemyhouse
Nov 30, 2018 3:34 AM CST
Marilyn, it is a growth deformation that is generally weather related.

From a 2015 Schreiner's newsletter/article:
"Unusual weather patterns, such as sudden freezes following periods of mild temperatures can result in bent stems or wavy leaves (known as "pineappling"), for example. Despite the disfigured appearance of the stem and foliage, the plant is healthy. As long as the rhizome remains firm, the plant will continue to grow."
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Name: Monty Riggles
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UndyingLight
Nov 30, 2018 2:06 PM CST
Lots of insight, Brad. I'll have to keep this in mind if I really do want to be a hybridizer. Thumbs up
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Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 30, 2018 3:42 PM CST
Poly - This is an example of pineappling
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Nov 30, 2018 5:30 PM CST

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Name: Monty Riggles
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UndyingLight
Nov 30, 2018 6:02 PM CST
I've had my noids grow odd, even one that had a scraggly stem and one bloom, but that pineappling affect hasn't hit me, to my knowledge. Only blooms that tried to come up, but never made it to bloom.
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Name: Brad
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ARUBA1334
Nov 30, 2018 6:14 PM CST
Monty.. I would encourage you to just try some Pollen Daubing the 1st year don't make it Rocket Science try to use the newest plants you have available and put them together it is a fun process and something to help get through the drag of winter months Smiling

Evelyn.. Unfortunately it is something we have happen all the time here in the midwest or at least I do this year in particular was tough we had a couple weeks of 60's to make them really put on growth and then got hit with 3 or 4 days of 18 degree weather it really affected some of my named 2 year plantings around the house as they were protected and really putting on strong growth and of course the brand new seedlings showed affects from it. Shrug! I can't control mother nature can only make the best out of it and be thankful when I get to see them bloom especially seedlings if I can at least see the flower then we can decide if we want to continue on with the plant.

I used to think in the same way that maybe it was just the plant and it's genetics that wouldn't tolerate the swings but it happens so randomly here every season can be different some years it all depends on where its planted in my yard as to how it's affected Shrug! by the late freezes. There are some that are bred to bloom very early in particular some of Barry's were crossed that way as he had the opposite affect in Australia when his season started the late ones would get burnt up in the Heat the later they bloomed so he specifically worked on getting them to bloom earlier. He had TB's blooming with SDB's which is awesome if they would handle the cold swings here some do and some don't every climate will be different as to how they perform. Here are a few of mine for examples that were weird this year they bloomed way down in the foliage or got a stalk that was foot shorter then where it should have been was happy to get to see them in particular the red one if it grows up next year its a keeper Smiling


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Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Nov 30, 2018 8:45 PM CST
There were several that got stuck, and so on...some bloomed down in the foliage, etc. I am trying to wait it out 3 years to give a good assessment of each cultivar. I have have read that you really cannot judge a plant on its first years' growth, so I will be keeping notes and collecting pollen in the mean time.

I just went out today, in between rain showers to clear off the leaves off of the rhizomes and it started to hail lightly. I noticed on some, the was gray mold on some of the rhizomes? Is there a way to prevent that? I did spray every rhizome with a fungicide previously. I guess that I will wait for dry weather, then scrub with bleach solution. Another thing that I am watching for is resistance to any type of mold, as some had absolutely none at all last year, even when the soil worked its way over them.

“It was one of those March days when the sun shines hot and the wind blows cold, when it is summer in the light and winter in the shade.” ~Charles Dickens
Name: Timothy
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TBMan
Nov 30, 2018 9:03 PM CST
Hey Monty
ARUBA1334 said:Monty.. I would encourage you to just try some Pollen Daubing the 1st year don't make it Rocket Science try to use the newest plants you have available and put them together it is a fun process and something to help get through the drag of winter months Smiling

What Brad said, is good advice. Those who have name recognition in the iris world have been at it a long time. I remember when i was a young iris grower, impatient to impress the iris world, and gather up gobs of varieties. Have fun and learn, take notes and ask questions. This forum is a great way to start out. Grow, like your irises do. Before you know it, you may be a "big clump" in our future iris world. Smiling See, in this thread you can learn about the phenomenon of "pineappling" -- which was a mystery to me until many years into my iris growing pilgrimage.
The noted iris hybridizer of yesteryear, Rudoph Kleinsorge, barely had a 100 sq ft garden and perhaps 30-40 varieties, but out of that small space he produced some of the most notable iris cultivars of his time.
Read more about him, here.
http://wiki.irises.org/Main/Bi...
.... and as always, best of of luck
Name: Monty Riggles
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UndyingLight
Nov 30, 2018 11:25 PM CST
Thanks for the comments y'all, and especially Timothy. I will have to look into what exactly pollen daubing means, but it sounds interesting. If I could find myself a hobby to do in the winter seasons after attempted crosses. I know I am really far away from ever being a well-loved hybridizer, but I want to keep at that process and eventually be a clump of irises, in meaning, that my clump of irises I produced are out and ready for the world!
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Name: Jan Wax
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janwax
Dec 1, 2018 12:24 AM CST
Well, Monty, "pollen daubing " isn't my favorite phrase, but it means the act of gathering the pollen from the anthers of one iris and transferring (daubing) that pollen on to the stigmatic lip of another iris - with the hope that seeds will form from this attempt at impregnation.Sometimes I use the phrase "amateur hybridizing " when explaining what I'm doing - which, despite the "amateur" part, sounds a bit grander than "pollen daubing"! Real, honest to gosh hybridizers often have a wide range of skills that sometimes include chemistry, genetics and other sciences - plus years of close observation of this glorious flower's characteristics.
I'd recommend reading all you can about the process if you want to advance your knowledge. If you go on Youtube, there are some excellent videos that
show how it's done.
let the mystery be
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Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Dec 1, 2018 6:14 AM CST
If you go to Keith Keppel's face book page, he shares a great deal of knowledge about iris genetics. I only wish I had started this when I was younger, but it's been a fun and challenging hobby for me in my retirement. It sure is fun to see the new creations bloom, even if they aren't anything special, they are fun to see. My first bloom was from a bee pod years ago, it was ugly! Rolling on the floor laughing but it was all mine. I think it was a cross between an historic and a more modern one. It ended up on the compost pile. If you get the chance to go through a judges training, I'd recommend it. You will learn all of the characteristics that make up a desirable plant. That is very helpful in making selections for which seedlings to keep and which to part with. Mostly, just have fun with it. Smiling
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Name: Monty Riggles
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UndyingLight
Dec 1, 2018 11:27 AM CST
I figured that pollen daubing was the same thing, but I wasn't sure. If that's the case, I've already done a bit of that. I tried 8-9 crosses from my noid historic irises (and used a Youtube video to show me how Hilarious! ). I did get one to take, which was cool. Lost the pod fairly close to the seeds being released though. Oh well. Hey, it was worth a shot, right?

Next year, I'm going to attempt some pollen daubing again and read up on some fine materials that y'all have suggested! I plan to take horticulture in college to work towards a degree in, so that will help for later use.
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Name: Lucy
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irisarian
Dec 1, 2018 2:47 PM CST
You should see the size of Keith Keppel's compost pile. Even the experts don't always get what they want,

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