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Dec 10, 2018 4:55 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
I think I may have been messing around with some annual poppy pollen & then I coated an entire top of the capsule of P. orientale 'Coral Reef'. I am fairly cetain the results were that the dark basal blotches completely disappeared.... Meanwhile, the annual grew about 6 feet tall & had only a single bloom with a pink flower & having white basal blotches & it was sterile. Notice that the seed capsule of this one, ( in the lower right corner) became 'minicap' like that grower in California, whom sold all his to the grower of the National Collection, in England. He had produced the "Super Poppy" series, among them, 'Heartbeat'...Shawn
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Dec 10, 2018 9:11 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
I should add, that although this was the results I had, the original idea was not of my own. I had looked online in Google 'Books' & done some reading of a book published about 100 years ago. It concerned the results of many hybridization attempts accomplished by Luther Burbank. It included photos too, of various poorly formed Oriental poppy pods appearing much like this, as a result of crossing two different species, within the genera. I think Burbank was claimed to be the man who hybridized the 'Shasta' Daisy too & nowadays one of the better seed grown cultivars available these days, is 'Crazy Daisy'. Some really turn out to be rather quite remarkable with extra double rows of petals...
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Dec 15, 2018 1:27 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
This was the parent, flower 'Coral Reef'. I had used to produce the plant, shown above.

Shawn
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Dec 16, 2018 9:16 PM CST
Northern NJ (Zone 6b)
I don't know too much about crossing poppies but the results are very nice!
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Dec 17, 2018 10:55 AM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@LorettaNJ I didn't know much about crossing within a genus, until doing so, myself. I didn't think the color was anything spectacular. Though anything other than orange, is o.k. with me... I would have preferred to have been successful with 'Plum Pudding' from seeds, but the seedlings just didn't make it, for very long.
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Dec 18, 2018 2:03 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
I do recall that way back, about 1987, or so, I had sown a packet of store bought poppy seeds off the rack. One, appeared to be an Iceland poppy, with the typical leaves being round, or "lobed" at the ends. I thought nothing of it, until it grew about four feet tall, on a main stem, then flowered profusely with blooms like a corn (rhoeas) variety. But it was sterile, as I did try to pollinate it. Every single capsule, was barren. So, therefore since I didn't actually create the inter-generic hybrid, I figured it could be duplicated. Then with the info read online many years later & having some idea about L. Burbank ( & Johnny Carson used to crack jokes about 'Down town Burbank) that I would try a very similar experiment. ( Of course, I was aware of (De Welt's?) hybrid Orientals, but had never gotten around to ordering them, until I found out, they had already been sold, off to an English grower ( Sandy Worth? of a large collection of P. orientale cv.'s. .Not many cultivars are available, here in the U.S. But did manage to get one of her creations, called 'Medallion' via Burpee, though if it had ever bloomed, I missed out seeing it happen. Quite a few years later, I decided to move it to my apartment ( it was in a rather large pot) but needed division badly & then suddenly rotted, before I could divide the crown..
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Dec 19, 2018 4:05 PM CST
Northern NJ (Zone 6b)
That's disappointing.
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Dec 19, 2018 4:52 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@LorettaNJ I know it! It isn't easy to get the varieties, like they have in England & Germany... Had I known they would be so scarce, I would have paid more attention. I just figured, even more would start to be available. Sometimes, the roots from mail ordering turn out to be plain orange. By the time they flower, any guarantee is expired. I even had one vendor, state on the invoice that it wouldn't be guaranteed to survive, in my zone. But what if that was one of those incorrectly named cv's that flowered orange ? lol
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Dec 21, 2018 9:26 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
This is a hybrid Oriental poppy that I purchased bare root, called 'King Kong' Notice how glossy the petals are. Shawn
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Feb 9, 2019 7:36 AM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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I would like to get a good patch of Iceland Poppies growing in pink or red colours. IT seems that those colours are not included in many mixes so I am trying to order only those colours.
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Feb 9, 2019 9:04 AM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@CarolineScott I forget which vendors offers them in different separate colors, at the moment. I had some started in a somewhat smaller sized planter box & had 'Chamapgne Bubbles' growing , but had to bring it indoors for a couple of days & nights. The last deep freezing night, I awoke to find out the entire box had been tipped over, by one of the two, of the households' cats. They had started devouring Pansy seedlings, which hadn't done so well with germination, as autumn was just too warm.
I've noticed some of potted Pansy offered at big box stores, are produced in Canada...But, I wanted specifically, ruffled ones & all they have anymore is 'Frizzle Sizzle, which is an F1 hybrid I bought my packet of mixed colors of 'Champagne Buubles from Pinetree for just $2.50 per pkt. I can look around for separate colors, if you can't find them up there. jllmk. Shawn p.s Stokes may have them, but probably only in mix available, but I have found some that may be better, called 'Colibri'. You may decide to prefer it, to locate a vendor in Canada, for that one!
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Feb 11, 2019 3:21 PM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
Bulbs Winter Sowing Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Peonies Lilies Charter ATP Member
Region: Canadian Enjoys or suffers cold winters Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
THank you .....I will look for Colibri
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Feb 11, 2019 3:43 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@CarolineScott try unicornblooms.com & they may still have some. They quickly germinated faster than any other I have seen before. Bottom watering is suggested, but I just misted as gently as possible, with the finest setting, on spray water bottle.. I used seed starter mix of peat & perlite, not compacted & some use a thin cover with vermiculite or a clear dome, to prevent drying & maintain humidity, until germination in about a week..
Not sure if Calgary has warm or cool summers. But you know they like cool weather & that determines when to start them. If your summer nights are cool enough, you might be able to get them started soon as possible.
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Feb 11, 2019 4:42 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@CarolineScott Since these seeds seem to be ever so tiny, be careful not to cover up too deeply, as exposure to light apparently is almost a neccesity, to get germination. The reason why, only a light dusting of vermiculite is given. Keep warm & humid & they'll sprout quickly.
Did you decide on a single color, or a few separate colors?
I chose both of what was offered by Floret, 'Sherbet Mix' & 'Peach'. My first attempt didn't go so well, but I got them figured out, for when they went on offer back in January & they have their true leaves already. I think by 8 or so weeks age, they ought to be potted up, to prevent being stunted in a seed tray & need the extra room in at least a three inch (7.5 cm) deep pot for the tap root. Then, once up to size, will be ready to be planted out, if all goes well.
Please let me know, how you do with yours!
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Feb 13, 2019 12:31 PM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
Bulbs Winter Sowing Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Peonies Lilies Charter ATP Member
Region: Canadian Enjoys or suffers cold winters Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
I will keep you posted....have not got to poppies yet.
COlibri is expensive !
I found some separate colors at Hazzards, but expensive too.
I usually do Iceland Poppies as a direct in ground sowing.
IN fact I have the best results by sowing them onto snow.
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Feb 13, 2019 12:43 PM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
I haven't barely seen any snow at all, this year. It melted before it ever hit the ground!
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Feb 14, 2019 9:08 AM CST
Northern NJ (Zone 6b)
Ouch, Colibri is expensive.
I did place an order with Floret because the gomphrena mix 'sunset' caught my eye. I also ordered the icelandic poppy Champagne Bubbles to make the order more worth it plus decided to try a Chinese Aster. Chinese asters I've tried in the past produced tiny flowers. I'm not sure I will get their huge results because I've tried a few of the calendulas they show and I didn't achieve the flower sizes. But this year I started using Miracle Gro Bloom Booster after a nursery recommended it and it does make a difference on those high demand annuals.
@ShawnSteve - I notice a lot of your sources are wholesalers in the cut flower industry. Did you work with that?
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Feb 14, 2019 9:23 AM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@LorettaNJ Hi Loretta. No, I didn't but probably should have ! Were the Italian ones already sold out? As Stokes, even has those 'Champagne Bubles'. Though the shipping (postage) is a bit high... Seems every time I try to buy a packet of decent Aster chinensis, they are some sort of ordinary kind. Now, it is almost too late to be starting those here. Tomorrow may hit 70 & then the next with high of only 40 , but a "low" of 42 ! So, it is actually going to trend downward in temps for a short while...
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Feb 14, 2019 9:50 AM CST
Northern NJ (Zone 6b)
Only Champagne Bubbles and Giant Peach were left. Giant Peach looks very pretty and ruffled.
Is it too late to start the asters? They are a late season flower anyway. Your season is longer than mine so if it is too late for you, maybe it is for me. Anyway, there is enough seed to try this year and next year.
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Feb 14, 2019 9:58 AM CST
Name: Shawn S.
Hampton, Virginia (Zone 8b)
Annuals Butterflies Dahlias Irises Morning Glories Orchids
Peonies Region: United States of America Zinnias
@LorettaNJ Can you start the Asters indoors ? It got so cold here, for that extreme winter blast, even my Sweet Sultan (Amberboa/ Centaurea moschata) froze to death, almost completely. As for those China Asters, they tend to be spring flowering, down here. I treat them as "hardy annuals". The same goes for the Iceland, just had to get as soon as possible, otherwise, it is wait until autumn to sow.

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