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Aug 6, 2019 5:08 PM CST
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I have an aquarium that is currently only being occupied by a snail and a few hundred copepods. It was previously occupied by actual fish, but they sadly passed. Anyway, now I have this fish tank called the Fluval Spec V, just sitting on my organizer, and I'm wanting something to do with it. The tank was a gift, and cost about $100, so I don't want to just throw it in storage. The light that comes with it, has a temperature of about 7500k, and has a peak intensity of about 3,000 foot-candles. It is also in front of a west-facing window. Can I grow some houseplants in this situation?
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Aug 6, 2019 6:05 PM CST
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@gina1960, it's like this question was made just for you! *Blush*
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Aug 6, 2019 6:09 PM CST
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A couple of past articles on the subject of turning Aquariums into Terrariums:
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Aug 6, 2019 6:50 PM CST
Name: Gina
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@Hamwild thanks LOL but I am no expert!
This is, after I Googled the name, a 5 gallon tank correct? Yes, you can turn that into a terrarium, but you will be a little limited on what you can put in it by its small size.
I have done 4 tanks so far to grow what I call my 'houseplants' and they range from 20-75 gallons. Two are extra tall, which is nice because it gives you a greater range of things you can plant.

I built all of mine of the 'vivarium' build, not necessarily the 'terrarium' build. I do not ever intend to actually keep animals, but, because none of my habitats are sealed (all have screen tops for allowing air flow) I have a layer of aliflor (compressed clay pellets) in the bottoms that allow a layer of water to stay in the bottom of the tanks to provide humidity.

In order to have plants actually in the aquarium you have to have enough room on the vertical to have a deep enough layer of planting media to allow root growth and also allow for the height they will ultimately get.

I have seen vivarium builds on very small aquaria so you should google vivarium builds and you can see many many examples of planted aquaria. If you would like to see photos of mine I will be happy to post them
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Aug 6, 2019 6:55 PM CST
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Is indeed a five gallon (not trying to speak for hoosier, but I had one myself at one time). Smiling
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Aug 6, 2019 7:51 PM CST
Name: Gina
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In my research with builds that I did before I did mine, I learned that you need to either do the aliflor layer on the bottom for filtration/drainage/humidity or a false bottom made of a material called egg crate which is a plastic grid of squares. I chose the aliflor layer because its hard to disguise the egg crate. You put a layer of that, then a couple of sheets of screen or landscape cloth, then you put your planting media on top. That is what you actually plant the plants in. I use a mix I have used for plants in the greenhouse for years. This photo is a small example of the depth you need. My 75 gallon (shown here) has a depth from the bottom of the glass floor to the top surface layer of the planting media of about 6-7 inches total. In my 20 gallon its about 3 inches. The 75 gallon is deeper because I needed a water reservoir under the planting medium to run water pumps for a water feature. You would not need it so deep. The 20 gal does not have a water feature so that sort of water reservoir was unnecessary
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Aug 6, 2019 9:58 PM CST
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Gina1960 said:In my research with builds that I did before I did mine, I learned that you need to either do the aliflor layer on the bottom for filtration/drainage/humidity or a false bottom made of a material called egg crate which is a plastic grid of squares. I chose the aliflor layer because its hard to disguise the egg crate. You put a layer of that, then a couple of sheets of screen or landscape cloth, then you put your planting media on top. That is what you actually plant the plants in. I use a mix I have used for plants in the greenhouse for years. This photo is a small example of the depth you need. My 75 gallon (shown here) has a depth from the bottom of the glass floor to the top surface layer of the planting media of about 6-7 inches total. In my 20 gallon its about 3 inches. The 75 gallon is deeper because I needed a water reservoir under the planting medium to run water pumps for a water feature. You would not need it so deep. The 20 gal does not have a water feature so that sort of water reservoir was unnecessary
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This is so intricate! I'm guessing my planting media depth won't be able to be huge, as the tank itself is only about 11 inches tall. I'm still trying to decide what to do, as I also have a spare 40 gallon breeder, a 20 gallon long, and possibly a 15 gallon. The width of my 5 gallon is just 6 inches, so one young rabbits foot fern would fill the entire width of the enclosure. Hilarious!
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Aug 7, 2019 5:47 AM CST
Name: Gina
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For the small one you could put something cool like a small piece of driftwood and a Chirita or Episcea and maybe a vining hoya like curtisii, a small fern that will stay small and something like cryptanthus bromeliads. You can do a backing with something like coir matting, tree fern bark or cork to allow vining plants to climb, or if you want to keep it clear and wide open skip that. Creepers that you can readily trim like the cool purple and silver trandeschantia would work too
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Aug 7, 2019 5:02 PM CST
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Gina1960 said:For the small one you could put something cool like a small piece of driftwood and a Chirita or Episcea and maybe a vining hoya like curtisii, a small fern that will stay small and something like cryptanthus bromeliads. You can do a backing with something like coir matting, tree fern bark or cork to allow vining plants to climb, or if you want to keep it clear and wide open skip that. Creepers that you can readily trim like the cool purple and silver trandeschantia would work too


Do you think a hoya would actually work in conditions like that? I've always wanted to try a hoya, but usually have to pass them up because they need higher light... or so I thought. I have tons of tradescantia zebrina, so that's a good idea! I'd love to try something new like an Episcia, too. My local nursery sells 2-4 inch houseplants for 2-3 dollars in bulk! I'd actually really love to get a mini phalenopsis orchid in there if I could. I think it'd look so cool, but I'm once again unsure if my lighting is enough.
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Aug 7, 2019 5:42 PM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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I can't advise you on that lighting. I think aquarium lights are supposed to be bright enough to raise aquatic live plants though aren't they? If you don;t know for sure you could go to an aquarium shop and see if they have lights that would be better for plant growth than what you have. What you want is a full spectrum daylight tube or bulbs that don't produce too much heat. I found some nice little LEDs, one actually came with my paludarium set up which is where I learned about them. They are Full Spectrum Daylight LEDs that are only 5watts so there is almost no heat production. But they fit into reptile hoods not aquarium hoods. I inherited most of the stuff I set up from my daughter's 'reptile habit' which came to an end when she had to move.
One of the smaller hoya would work, I have Hoya curtisii in 2 of my setups, also DIschidia imbricata, Dischidia Silver Stars, Watermelon Dischidia and Dischidia major. The smaller leaved hoyas like lacunosa would probably work. I have a Chirita in one and I split an episcia and put it into 2 different ones. Also some of the more unusual begonias (dwarves) are sold specifically for this use.
One very cool plant you might consider is Marcgravia. They are more rare and sometimes expensive, they are shingle plants (they stick to walls and climb).
There are a few places that sell plants specifically for terrariums, things that stay small or can be trimmed to keep small. Josh's Frogs, Black Jungle Terrarium Supply. Glass Box Tropicals, Glasshouse Works...
I used to get some of these plants to try out in my greenhouse. But they tend to get lost. Or not do well in winter. A lot of them need high humidity and from December-February its usually pretty dry here. Not at all like the rest of the year.
A lot of people set up orchidariums in aquariums and terrarium/vivariums. When i wanted some orchids for mine, I went to Andy's Orchids in California. I have been a customer of Andy's for almost 20 years. They sell tons of miniatures, all species plants no hybrids. I told Andy what my set up was like and he specifically recommended some orchids that would do well, and they really have.
These are some photos of 2 of my set ups from the top. I am about to set up the 4th one for the specific reason of growing my Hoya imbricata. When temps fall below about 85-90 and the humidity drops, it will just stall out and stop growing. So I am going to leave it in the greenhouse until it gets cooler and drier then bring it in permanently to this habitat.
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Aug 8, 2019 5:40 AM CST
Name: Gina
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I'm going to set up my 4th habitat today, the one that will eventually be used for the Hoya imbricata in a few months. I'll post photos of how I do it in case anyone is interested. I am trying to decide it I want running water in it or not. I have an extra pump that's not is use.....its tempting LOL
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Aug 8, 2019 6:22 AM CST
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I'd love to see it! When I was a teenager, I created a waterfall in my hermit crab enclosure. It was done using an internal aquarium filter and a critter keeper. Hilarious! I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep the aquarium an aquarium, or if I truly want to make it a terrarium. I'm leaning more towards the terrarium, as you can only really put a betta in a 5 gallon, and my luck with bettas is sadly indigent. For the bottom layer of the terrarium, do you have to use egg crates or aliflor? I have some aquarium gravel left in the aquarium, and I'm wondering if it would be okay to use.
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Aug 8, 2019 1:31 PM CST
Name: Gina
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I didn;t get to do it today Angry its been pouring rain on and off, I need to be outside to be able to prep stuff. But tomorrow is supposed to be dry. Drier.
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Aug 8, 2019 2:43 PM CST
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Gina1960 said:I didn;t get to do it today Angry its been pouring rain on and off, I need to be outside to be able to prep stuff. But tomorrow is supposed to be dry. Drier.


That's okay! I actually went to my local nursery and to Lowe's today, and I saw so many small houseplants I'd like to try. I also saw some I didn't even know existed! I found some type of small syngonium that was a beige color, and I fell in love with it. I also saw some plants that looked like the ones you recommended, but they had different scientific names. Confused Maybe they have doppelgängers?
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Aug 8, 2019 5:29 PM CST
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Or you can grow actual water plants. I used a gravel. I also put a few pieces of charcoal under it.


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Aug 8, 2019 5:40 PM CST
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kyry said:Or you can grow actual water plants. I used a gravel. I also put a few pieces of charcoal under it.


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I've tried so many aquatic plants in my larger fish tank, and I'm just terrible at keeping them alive. I've killed huge amazon swords, water wisteria, water sprite, Argentine swords, dwarf hairgrass, various anubias species, and even duckweed. I do currently have a couple species of java fern that have been alive for about 5 years, though! They're the only aquatic plant I haven't killed yet. Your aquatic plants look better than mine did even after just a few days. Thumbs up
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Aug 8, 2019 7:35 PM CST
Name: Gina
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Its fun to grow stuff as emersed aquatics. Lots of stuff would grow in an aquarium like that. Google 'planted aquarium' and it will show a ton of gorgeous set ups
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Aug 9, 2019 9:39 AM CST
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A game-changing update: due to certain events, I will not be turning my Fluval Spec V into a terrarium. It will stay fully aquatic. However, I have since decided I'd like to try to turn my leopard gecko's enclosure, into a vivarium. Leopard geckos are desert-dwelling creatures, so I'll need to get houseplants more along the lines of snake plants and aloe. The enclosure is 24 inches long, 18 inches wide, 12 inches tall. I currently have a light fixture from an old aquarium that I'll attempt putting two 10 watt 6500k LED bulbs, into. Each bulb produces slightly over 1,000 lumens. Does anyone have any suggestions or concerns? I'd love to hear some ideas!
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Aug 9, 2019 11:57 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
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Are you on Facebook? There is a vivarium/terrarium page on there very active. I am about to start my new build now. I'll take some pics along the way, but it certainly won;t be a desert environment LOL.

The reason people who raise dart frogs and other amphibians make their vivs the way I am making my plant vivs (Of course I learned and took the ideas from them) is that once the viv is bioactive, its like an aquarium...the waste from the animals is naturally broken down by insects that are introduced into the viv and by bacterial action. A pro said that if you set your viv up correctly from the start, you should NEVER have to change out the substrate that everything is growing in.

That isn't true for desert tanks. You will still have to scoop poop. My daughter gave up the 'natural' sand and live plant look and went to those eco mats because it was too hard to scoop out the poop from her reps with live plants and cool rock formations and stuff in the way
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Aug 9, 2019 12:44 PM CST
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Not to change the subject, but it is good she doesn't use sand anymore, as it can cause impaction when ingested. Sad

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