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Jun 21, 2021 12:02 PM CST
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Merthyr Tydfil
What trees are these? There are three of them in a row in my back garden. I've tried identifying them by their leaves and bark, but can't find an answer. I have included photos of the leaves up close too. Thanks in advance for any help. I've wanted to know for years!



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Jun 21, 2021 12:42 PM CST
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Welcome!

Have you looked at Tilia (lime/linden in the UK)?
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Jun 21, 2021 2:53 PM CST
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It's never produced any limes. Although I did think it must be a type of linden tree. Do they all produce limes?
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Jun 21, 2021 2:59 PM CST
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E_m_l said:It's never produced any limes. Although I did think it must be a type of linden tree. Do they all produce limes?


They don't produce limes at all, I don't know why they are called limes in the UK. One article on a quick Google suggests it was originally a corruption of the word lind.
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Jun 21, 2021 4:58 PM CST
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Hi E_m_l:

Take some pictures of the bark on the main trunk, and some images showing the branch canopy looking up from below.

Lindens (Tilia sp.) often have a very distinct branching pattern on older trees, and are amazingly simple to pick out especially when dormant. Big old trees like those also should be flowering prolifically, and they will have quite distinct blooms with a long tongue-like bract which forms a "runway" for bees to home in on the flowers/pollen.

If past bloom, the bracts from Linden flowers persist and the small bead-like seeds will be forming. You pictures have evaded showing this information.

Let us see more.

The leaves you've shown made me think along the lines of some big hulking Corylus sp., but I am not familiar with what choices might frequent the Merthyr Tydfil landscape...
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Jun 22, 2021 1:33 AM CST
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Thanks so much for your reply. I have just been out to take some more photos. I can't get a very good photo of the bark, as it's covered in moss and ivy (which worries me). However, I do have photos of the bark on branches that were left over from when they were cut. I kept the branches for decoration. I don't know if that'll help in any way? The tree isn't in my garden, it's next door.
I should add that that tree was cut maybe 2-3 years ago, so isn't showing its natural shape. Also, I do remember having little flying seeds coming down off the tree years ago, but I haven't seen any since. Do they only produce seeds certain years? Or has it not produced any because it's been cut. They're meant to get cut every 5 years.
The first photos are from today, looking up. The leaves hang down from the weight. There is also another little baby tree growing out of the side of it, so there is a photo of that. And the last photo will be the bark from the branches that were cut down a couple of years ago.
I appreciate your help so much, as these trees mean a lot to me and I worry they'll be completely cut down soon due to having new neighbours. The existing neighbours have hated the trees for a long time. I don't know how old the trees are, but have been told they were protected and may have been there since before the houses were made. The site was an old school. But I've also been told the protection has now ended, so I'm worried we will lose them.
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Jun 22, 2021 1:47 AM CST
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Agree Tilia...common name lime.
Very common in UK.
Probably Tilia cordata..small leaved lime.
It should soon have flowers with a floral bract...see links
https://www.google.com/search?...

https://www.google.com/search?...

Very common in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales. UK.
Tilia are much loved by aphids.
Cars parked underneath get covered in the sticky honey dew...aphid poop...horrid to clean off.

A very different tree from hot climate citrus trees that give lime fruits!
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Jun 22, 2021 10:03 AM CST
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Here is our database for Littleleaf Linden (Tilia cordata)
If you all agree, I can move the original photo to it.
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Jun 22, 2021 11:56 AM CST
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Oh I totally forgot to say that I CAN NOT keep my fence painted underneath the tree. The paint just melts off the fence within the year. I guessed that some sort of sap was coming out of it, but didn't realise it was honey dew. I remember one year, seeing loads of ants crawling all over it. I'm so glad I asked here, thank you so much for helping me find out.
Will the ivy growing up the tree damage it? Or is it more dangerous to cut the ivy at the base to kill it? I wouldn't be able to sort it out myself, but I've been worried about it.
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Jun 22, 2021 1:07 PM CST
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Calif_Sue said:Here is our database for Littleleaf Linden (Tilia cordata)
If you all agree, I can move the original photo to it.


Cannot be 100% sure .
Pics not terrible clear.
Id of Tilia isn't easy...need detail/info that I cannot see.
The other very common Tilia in UK is ...Tilia x europea...the common lime.
It always sends out suckers from the trunk at the bottom.see my pics

https://www.google.com/search?...


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Jun 23, 2021 2:29 AM CST
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Silversurfer, it doesn't grow out at the bottom like the pictures you added. It only has one new growth that looks like a new tree starting. The other 2 trees don't have them.
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