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Jun 15, 2018 4:29 PM CST
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Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
I'm always tickled when this happens . . .

We grow "Grandmother's Hat" (we grow LOTS of "Grandmother's Hat"!)
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And we grow 'Tina Marie' -- a white-to-blush sport of "Grandmother's Hat"
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And today, I was tickled to find a half-bloom reversion of 'Tina Marie' back to "Grandmother's Hat"
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Jun 15, 2018 4:36 PM CST
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How neat! I love those halfway reversions.
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Jun 15, 2018 4:57 PM CST
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The oddest one I ever experienced was on an Abracadabra rose, which reverted to Hocus Pocus, which in turn reverted to Black Beauty. At one point during the transition both of these blooms were growing on the same rose bush.

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Jun 15, 2018 6:00 PM CST
Name: Bonnie
Texas
Jeri that is so cool! I always love seeing your GH. I have it on my rose bucket list.
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Jun 15, 2018 8:27 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Jeri, that is simply beautiful ... Smiling

You have mentioned that climate change has had an impact on your garden. How does Grandmother's Hat and Tina Marie hold up to the hotter temps ?
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Jun 15, 2018 8:37 PM CST
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Wow Jeri, that's extraordinary! If you root a cutting from your "new discovery", what do think the offspring will look like?
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Jun 15, 2018 9:25 PM CST
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Both yours and Zuzu's examples are beautiful and real special!
There was a recent post about a waterlily with a two color effect and the bloom was gorgeous!
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Jun 15, 2018 10:00 PM CST
Name: Margie
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Thank you Suzanne. I was thinking about as to why this would occur - a mutation, reverted back to some of the parents traits, environmental, etc.???
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Jun 15, 2018 10:07 PM CST
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Tina Marie and Abracadabra are sports, Margie, which often produce blooms similar to the original rose, but these half-reversions are more fun. Winchester Cathedral, a white sport of pink Mary Rose, is famous for producing occasional half-white, half-pink blooms.

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Jun 15, 2018 10:47 PM CST

How neat, Jeri! Thanks for sharing it with us. I sometimes wonder how often something like this happens without my noticing it. It's easy to spot when it's a brand new rose, one in a prominent location, or one that doesn't have a load of blooms very often, but some of the "blooming machines" I probably miss sometimes. (I'm thinking specifically of Winchester Cathedral. I've seen it, but surely missed some, as well.) I'm glad you "caught" this one, and shared it with us. It's really special! Lisa
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Jun 16, 2018 1:21 AM CST
Name: Ingrid
Northeast San Diego County (Zone 11a)
Jeri, what an interesting phenomenon. It's fun when roses do strange things. Your first picture, of GH, is really beautiful.
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Jun 16, 2018 7:03 AM CST
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jerijen said:I'm always tickled when this happens . . .


And today, I was tickled to find a half-bloom reversion of 'Tina Marie' back to "Grandmother's Hat"
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How cool is that? Fabulous! Love how it looks like it is split in half!
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Jun 16, 2018 7:54 AM CST
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evermorelawnless said: Thumb of 2018-05-30/evermorelawnless/b21eba


Asa got a photo of our Ebb Tide doing something like that
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Jun 16, 2018 11:47 AM CST
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Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
Another rose I've seen do this half-and-half thing is 'Mme. Ernst Calvat' -- sporting half-back to 'Mme. Ernst Calvat'. Pretty cool.
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Jun 18, 2018 12:17 PM CST
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I love these type of things. My Savannah's first bloom had a big green proliferation, and I thought this will be a favorite now. I also get a kick out of any abnormal colors I get in the fall from the colder temps.
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Jun 18, 2018 12:21 PM CST
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I'm the same, Witchy. I'm fascinated by the occasional proliferation and various types of color mutations.
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Jun 19, 2018 12:56 AM CST
Name: Carol
Alberta, Canada (Zone 3b)
Oh I love these reversion pictures!! I think that the Ebb Tide one is the prettiest! But they're all remarkable and so interesting!
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Jun 19, 2018 1:58 PM CST
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RoseBlush1 said: How does Grandmother's Hat and Tina Marie hold up to the hotter temps ?


The weather for me has been varying between the upper 80's to mid 90's and grandmothers hat is still blooming and the blooms don't seem to be frying. Triple digit weather is coming so I'll have to report how she does then
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Jun 19, 2018 9:25 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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Thank you @Oldgardennut. I was just curious because when Jeri showed me a bloom of Grandmother's Hat when she was down in San Diego, I fell in love.

I now am up in the mountains of northern California and live in a climate where my summer temps are in the 90s and low 100s all summer long. Heat tolerance ... Smiling , seems to be more important than cold tolerance.

I have found that fried blooms really aren't my thing ... Hilarious!
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Jun 20, 2018 1:18 PM CST
Nebraska (Zone 5b)
Very cool looking, Jeri. I wish that transitory sports like this would stick around and be stable if cultivated. Being an oddball lover I'd really like to have an entire bush of "half and half" blooms, but they seem so weather and condition dependent I don't think that's possible. Guess that's why they're so intriguing when they do show up.
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