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May 16, 2012 6:12 PM CST
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Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
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I noticed there are no use categories for: Arbor/Trellis (required for vines, climbers, scramblers); Espalier (number of fruit trees and ornamentals can be espaliered); Topiary (yep, people really do this); Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree (or is that subsumed under "Flowering Tree"?)

Is there any particular reason why they aren't included? Could they be?

Monica
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May 16, 2012 7:15 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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No feelings here about it one way or the other. But I thought I'd mention that if there's ever anything that you want to add (like requires trellis) but there's no option, you can always add it as a comment.

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May 16, 2012 7:43 PM CST
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Name: Evan
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Hi Monica, I like the idea adding something to address plants which do best with support. I remember asking Zuzu about my Evangeline rose and discovering the various roses which require support. Would you mind elaborating on "Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree". Are you referring to suitable for potting?
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May 16, 2012 8:45 PM CST
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Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
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Foliage Fan Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Region: Gulf Coast Multi-Region Gardener Seed Starter Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Evan, maybe "Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree" is used more in the South. It could be a container plant or in ground, like Brugmansia (Angel Trumpet) or some citrus here in 9b. It's the size and function rather than where it's planted that makes it that category.

Typically, it's a tree (or shrub trained to 1-2 trunks) no more than 10'-12' that could be incorporated into a border (or on the patio) without overwhelming other plants, or be a focal point for mixed plantings. To try to put it in more Northern terms, my friend in Minnesota has the dwarf ornamental crab apple 'Cinderella' - it's very slow growing and reaches maybe 8' at maturity with a little dense rounded crown. It's the centerpiece of that bed with other shrubs and perennials supporting the design (doesn't that sound la-de-dah). That would be an example of the category. You might use a dwaf-ish conifer in the same way, like Thuja 'DeGroot's Spire'. On the other hand, Thuja 'Green Giant' wouldn't fit.

Here's an example of Brugmansia (a Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree). Notice that it doesn't terribly shade other plants, nor be out of proportion (I hope)


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The more I explain, the more confusing it sounds! But does that help at all?
Monica
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May 16, 2012 9:08 PM CST
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Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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Hi Monica, Thanks for the very clear description and I find the proportions pleasing. Green Grin!
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May 16, 2012 9:50 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Very pleasing. Thumbs up
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May 22, 2012 8:09 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
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The nice thing about our "Uses" area is we can add a lot of items.

I have added under "Uses" Espalier, Topiary, and "Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree".
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May 22, 2012 8:42 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Monica
Texas Gulf Coast (Zone 9b)
Sweat Weather, Not Sweater Weather
Foliage Fan Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Region: Gulf Coast Multi-Region Gardener Seed Starter Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Hurray! Thanks Dave.
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May 22, 2012 9:09 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
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Happily, and thank you for the ideas! I tip my hat to you.
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May 22, 2012 11:31 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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