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Jun 11, 2014 3:16 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Jun 11, 2014 5:09 AM CST
Name: Teri
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I found it very interesting, also, Tee.
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Jun 11, 2014 5:27 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Jun 11, 2014 7:17 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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I love reading articles like that, thanks.
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Jun 11, 2014 8:48 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Me too, Seedfork. Most welcome. Smiling
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Jun 11, 2014 12:25 PM CST
Name: John
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I've just been on a rose site over here, and the opinion seems to be that they are susceptible to Rose Rosette Disease, and are not going down very well here at all. Not being a rose grower at all, I cannot comment, in fact I've never heard of them over here till now. Must admit though they look very nice. Confused
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Jun 11, 2014 1:18 PM CST
Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
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Hi John, welcome to Roses. I have not had any problems with the Knockout varieties but have heard some do. These are the only thing I can grow here in Virginia because it is so humid and they all end up with black spot.
I purchased small plants and so if I see any disease I can just toss them. No Problem. This year I am trying some new disease resistant roses, one is Julia Child Rosa and the other is Livin’ Easy Rosa. Hoping for the best!
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Mat.6:28-29
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Jun 11, 2014 3:12 PM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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Lots of experiences and comments on this thread. Always a good read.
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Jun 12, 2014 3:49 PM CST
Name: Andi
Delray Beach, FL (Zone 10b)
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I wonder if the knock out roses themselves are more susceptible to rosette disease or if the mass production techniques of such a popular rose are more likely to spread disease.

Do they have rosa multiflora heritage? I have read that multiflora can harbor the disease. There are tons of multiflora growing here, but I haven't seen any with symptoms of rosette disease.

My knock out relation, Carefree Celebration, gets some black spot on its lower leaves, but not as much as some other roses. They are marketing "carefree" roses at big box store including Radler's Carefree Celebration, Bucks hot pink Carefree Beauty and a couple of other "carefree" ones. I guess the trend is plants with catchy names in odd colored pots.
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Jun 12, 2014 4:26 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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"Paul" claimed that the rumor that KO roses "attract" Rose Rosette Disease was NOT true:

http://www.finegardening.com/r...

Like you, he or she pointed out that rosa multiflora is particularly vulnerable to RRD.
BTW, the mites that spread RRD virus are very very tiny mites: [/i]Phyllocoptes Fructiphilus[/i]).

His or her theory was:

"I want to address a rumor that says the cause of RRD are The Knock Out Roses®.
Nothing can be further from the truth.
...
I suspect the rumor started because since so many Knock Out Roses have been planted, they are the most widely seen rose and therefore people blame them."

Me, I don't know.

I went looking for their ancestry, but did not find much.

http://web.extension.illinois....
"... drying diseased leaves and grinding them in his kitchen blender. He sprinkled his roses with this powder while the leaves were damp and watered overhead to create an ideal disease environment"

"The parents of Knock Out™ were bred from two distinct rose groups including at least eight known cultivars. "


William Radler says:
“I keep on selecting the best and continue crossing and crossing,”
http://www.walterreeves.com/la...
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Jun 12, 2014 5:59 PM CST
Name: Andi
Delray Beach, FL (Zone 10b)
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I hope the roses the big box stores are selling are virus free. One can imagine a cut rate rose nursery spreading virus by not cleaning the cutting/pruning/grafting tools between each plant. Pure conjecture.

There hasn't been a problem in this area with the virus so far. I hope there doesn't start to be a problem. I would like to know more about programs to prevent the mites.

I looked up Radler's roses on the other site. The parentage was unclear, but I saw two roses bred by him that I hadn't seen anywhere before - Orchid Mist and Tahitian Treasure. Both have prettier blooms than the ubiquitous single knock outs imo.
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Jun 12, 2014 6:01 PM CST
Name: Andi
Delray Beach, FL (Zone 10b)
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Radler said it best about the knockouts...

“But what’s truly wonderful is that something that has brought such joy to me has also helped gardeners who never thought they could grow roses.”
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Jun 12, 2014 6:06 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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I read another article where he responded to objections that they didn't look like exhibition-winning roses. Basically he said "yeah, they aren't exhibition roses. They're shrub roses, landscape roses."

He also likes the fancier roses, and some of his non-KO introductions lean more that way, but the KO line is intended to be what it is - a low-maintenance landscape rose.

Since he got the "fully double" bloom form in the newer cherry double KO variety RADtko, I've withdrawn my complaint that the blooms don't look like my favorite rose forms. Now, they pretty much do.
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Jun 12, 2014 6:16 PM CST
Name: Arlene
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Amazingly, the deer seem to be avoiding them. Maybe I can learn to love them...the Knock Out roses, not the rotten deer.
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Jun 12, 2014 6:25 PM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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I'm climbing up on my soapbox again. Just skip to the next post if you've already heard this....

RRD is rampant in our area. Multiflora rose is rampant here, too. That's no coincidence, but that story is for another day. Airborne mites carry a virus-like RRD, and that is what causes the spread of RRD. It's not production techniques or parentage of the rose.

In our area, like many others, Knock Out roses are widely used in commercial plantings. They are an excellent choice for any business that wants easily maintained color for 7 straight months.
The problem arises when the roses are planted too close together, and landscape crews who are asked to maintain a certain height on the roses take the easy way out and use powered hedge trimmers. They move through the beds quickly, and the virus in the "sap" of the rose is carried from one rose to another. That's not to say that one infected rose wouldn't spread the virus through all of them eventually, but it happens more quickly through the trimming.
If the roses were spaced further apart, the way they are in a residential setting, it would take longer to spread. Hopefully the gardener would notice the first infected rose, remove it, and keep the disease from spreading, at least until another mite starts the process over.
Here, commercial maintenance crews often do not speak English and they definitely don't have the authority to remove plants. I know of one retail area that removed all of their infected Knock Out roses, replacing them with Drift roses. The next season, all the Drift roses had RRD. Last fall, they replaced the Drift roses with potentilla.
I guess I should be glad they got them out before people started "hating" the Drift series. Folks, Knock Out and Drift are not the source of the problem! It's wild infected multiflora and a tiny mite.
About 12 years ago, there was quite a discussion on Garden Web with people strongly hating Hybrid Teas because they had so many problems with blackspot. That time, it was both a weakness of the class of rose and of cultivation. Now there's many more disease-resistant Hybrid Teas and I think people are more aware of watering and cleaning. The gardening public spoke, and now we have much needed improvements on both ends.
I remember years ago when 'Blaze' and 'Eutin' were in every yard. My parents scoffed at how boring and common they were. I guess that's what keeps hybridizers in business, isn't it? If something is easy, successful, affordable, and everybody has it, well, it's not for "us".
May Night Salvia, Stella d'Oro daylily, and Karl Foerster grass get the same "overused, boring" rap. Well you know what? They grow. They don't need you to suit up and spray chemicals. You don't have to water them every day. You don't have to pick bugs off of them. Your average Joe can come home from work and look at pretty blooms in their yard and smile and say yes, I can grow flowers. So what if every third house on the block has the same plants. We need to show people more easy care flowers like this, and then quit criticizing them when they grow them.
Sticking tongue out Rant over.
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Jun 12, 2014 6:32 PM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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For the record, Cindi, I loved your rant! Very informative and I'm sure cathartic, too. Hilarious!
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Jun 12, 2014 8:40 PM CST
Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
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I agree I tip my hat to you. nodding Thumbs up Hurray!
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Jun 13, 2014 4:19 AM CST
Name: Teri
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Good rant, Cindi. Who are we to determine which plant blooms (beside those invasive ones) anyone should be enjoying, especially if they are easy to grow for those who don't have the time or expertise for more care.
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Jun 18, 2014 8:39 AM CST
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Name: Clint Brown
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The rose rosette disease is really spreading among Knock Out Roses. Calling them disease resistant is no longer a valid claim.
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Jun 18, 2014 11:45 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
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I don't think there is any rose that is resistant to rose rosette.

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