Ahead said:Tina said:

"We are all building on someone else's vision and success. All of us."

I love this!

Sappy Steve

Well stated, Tina! Totally agree.

I don't feel any guilt registering seedlings out of seeds that I purchase or have been given by/from others. I am sure that they would be honored to know that their seeds grow into seedlings good enough to be registered. I would feel very happy and thrilled if my seeds given to others grow into something nice. So if they decide to register them, they tell me that I am doing something right with the crosses that I make.

Sue I will pay the postage. Send them to me. I'm a stone throw away from Steve We will enjoy them here.

Thanks Mike, but these four Valence X Impact Zone seedlings have to stay put in my rocky field. I've been babying them all winter, and now one has a scape! Woohoo!
I've been good to them, but maybe they expected room service!

You crack me up, Sue!

Hope that cross turns out as good as it sounds, Sue! I love both VALENCE and IMPACT ZONE!

ediblelandscapingsc said:Mary I just post pics on here for the world to see my flowers. Nothing is too good in my yard to put pollen on. I'm on the oppisite end of the spectrum where I don't put pollen on plants that are not keepers.

This is kinda how I'm starting to feel about bee pods. I know that all the plants I shopped for and planted in my garden are exemplary. I researched and fell in love with each one. I wanted them to beautify my yard, and to make crosses. So any seed pod would make beautiful flowers. The only exceptions are gift and bonus plants, and they mostly are lovely, too.

So I have a couple ones that are so stubborn! You have to keep trying, and I've decided to keep a bee pod if they get one. Just for a looky!

If you get a bee pod on a stubborn pod setter, I would keep it!

Even plants that never set pods get dabbed in my garden if it's a good one. Tet spiders are among the hardest to set pods on for some reason in my garden but I still try. Most of the bee pods I had this year are on my dips but I seen 2 or 3 on some tets I'm no longer crossing.
I don't keep my own bee pods because I have enough controled crosses of most my own plants there is no need in keeping bee pods. However I do take bee pods from others if I don't have that flower in my yard and think it would work well in my program. I name all my bee pod seedlings I get from others the name of the flower followed by OP for open pollinated. I have several that have turned out really good. I was pitching all my bee pods this year until a friend told me she wanted them so I started saving them for her.

I've been trying to set a pod on Laughing Giraffe all summer. As I would see one after another fail, I thought I should check the web site for ploidy to make sure I have it marked right. It WAS marked right but I should have looked at its "child plants" also. It has none listed. Had I realized that, I would have loved to test a trick that I read a while back of using its own pollen on itself. It is done blooming for the year so I'll give it a test next year. In this case, I would definitely keep a bee pod.

We make so many seeds these days that I rarely buy any, however when we were getting started in our hybridizing ventures we purchased seeds from many different LA sellers. (about 30) One time the crosses were not as marked. Twice we were sent bad seeds. These were not large purchases and I just marked off the sellers to not purchase again. I have sold seeds and would stand behind anything I sell no matter what the issue.

I have requests for seeds from my seedlings and futures but I don't want to sell seeds of anything but registered plants. I reserve my own seedlings for my hybridizing program since anyone else could take what I have and get it out in a fraction of the time it takes me since they are not doing this in tough southwestern conditions. That is why you don't have but one known hybridizer from anywhere near me and they don't even try to set tet seeds in garden condition around here. They say the success rate is too bad. The other hybridizer in our area, has all tet pod parents in pots and sets seeds in an air conditioned room in their home. Then they move them to a shade house until pods are harvested. We do everything outdoors in the gardens. Temps have been in the 100f's and 40 days no rain. But we have more seeds than we know what to do with.

This summer at our region 11 summer meeting the speaker was the king of the LA seed sellers. He sells the best crosses he makes and plants what does not sell. He expects people to get new intros from his seeds. Then he will buy your new intros and make seeds from them to sell.
I have an intro from his seeds and he wants the plant this fall.

If you are one who would register a daylily, and you buy seeds and get something special in a new plant, why would you not register it? We have some introductions from purchased seeds and I cannot keep any stock of the plants due to demands from people who want to buy them.

Ashton's 'Hook Echo' is one of the best toothy daylilies that you could grow. Tetraploid: 40" tall, 6-8 way branching, 35-45 buds, as fertile both ways outdoors in our gardens as anything we grow (even diploids) 100% pod setter. Friends in SC got a double fan division and first year blooming for them they sent him a picture of it with 20 open flowers.
Why would we not register it and make crosses with it?

I want folks to know how the Lily Auction responded to Daniel and also, to let you know that Daylilyparadise has buyers who actually registered seed from crosses she sent out. That does not excuse a mistake like this. Daniel is correct to be dissatisfied with the seeds if he feels that they were not true to name, even if it was an honest mistake by the seller, and he has the right to state his dissatisfaction. I can certainly understand his frustration about wasting his time growing seeds that were not true. Whether it was fraud or mistake, the buyer certainly has the right to state their experience. The Lily Auction will always provide an avenue to help buyers OBJECTIVELY report their dissatisfaction in cases like this. Here is my response to Daniel:

Hi Daniel,
Though I am very sorry to read your concerns I thank you for contacting us about this.

We will certainly keep this on record. However, it is up to the buyer to leave honest and objective feedback on sellers who they feel are not acting in good faith. If buyers do not do that, then there is little we can do. Though we have rules, we are merely a venue and we can only take action if substantial public feedback is left.

I know that you left previous positive feedback about the condition of the seed you received. However, so that you can leave more appropriate feedback, I removed your positive feedback and you may now post feedback that you believe to be true on all items that you won from her. All we ask is that you be objective and honest in your feedback. HINT: You cannot accuse a seller of fraud unless you can prove intent, but you can sure say that the seeds your received from her bloomed nothing like either parent.

If the other buyers you mentioned truly feels the same, please ask them to contact me and I will do likewise so they can leave feedback about their experiences as well.

If you go to your closed items list and search on daylilyparadise, you will see that you can leave feedback on the items you won from daylilyparadise.

In addition to making a public statement in the seller's feedback record, you may also contact the seller and state your experience directly to her and give her the opportunity to respond. Whether you do this or not, is your call.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Mike Longo
LA Admin

It's interesting how a discussion of one topic can morph into a very different discussion.
As to the first topic: Let the LA know your problem. They do not want sellers like that---it gives them a bad name, too. Every time I have had a complaint about another seller, the LA has been very helpful in dealing with it. A few years ago I won some plants that were listed as "Blooming Size". They were anything but: tiny little 4" plantlets barely out of the BAP pot. I took pics of them and sent them to Mike. I got a full refund, and got to keep the plants since the seller did not want to pay the return postage. The only one to survive bloomed this year---and it, at least, was the cv. that it was supposed to be. Take some pics of the flowers and send them to the LA. That will help document your case.
On the second topic: I sell thousands of seeds each year. Each seed, if it germinates and grows, is capable of being a "cultivar". Whoever owns the seed has the right to name it. I love it when I see some registered that I may have provided the seed for. More and more cultivars are being registered by backyard growers. Not everyone is, or wants to be, a major hybridizer. Many just want a few that are good enuf to name after a loved one.

@mikel thank you. You have went above and beyond what most website owners would have. I see now why so many people like you

"We have some introductions from purchased seeds and I cannot keep any stock of the plants due to demands from people who want to buy them."

Kidfishing, what a thrilling statement! I wish this would happen to me!

Just a note of interest.
Several years ago a lady bought some seed from me on the lily auction and three or four years later registered two daylilies from one of the cross's, I bought one of the plants from her and used it to hybridize with. I am sure I sold seed from that daylily also. I also have a daylily I will register in 2021 from seed I bought on the lily auction.

This wheel keeps turning--and daylilies keep getting better.

Just discovered that seeds I bought three years ago this Nov. were possibly from this person. Finally did a search on my PayPal account that dredged this up:
Contact info
Jemini Supply (daylilyseed)
The receiver of this payment is Verified
[email protected]
CustomEBAY_EMSCX0000687693789014

When my plants first bloomed last year, I was sorely disappointed. I posted pics on here, and some people told me that of course you never know what you'll get. A lot of grands and greats are involved. But, with parents like Tet Rose F Kennedy, Sharyn Lianne, and Pirates Island, I never expected to compost all of them. Which is what I'm eventually going to do, because none of them have even a hint of resemblance.

A few haven't bloomed yet. One is pretty, but I could never register it, or be proud of it, being doubtful of it's parents. And reminded of being ripped-off.

I have not had a SL keeper yet. Nothing to do with this seller, but altho Ive bought one cross already this year, thats it....I would love to see some good SL seedlings, give me some hope.

Pam, you say you haven't had a keeper, but would you say that at least you could tell the seedling was from Sharyn Lianne?