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Sep 29, 2019 6:02 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Tai ~

As you can see from the above updated list, there are MANY more for you to see than the last time you saw them. They are all now planted in soil where you can look at them easily and select the ones you want to take with you and pot up. I hope you have room in your little shop window to display a lot of them. All of the folks here on this thread : Daniel, Lynn and others were entirely responsible for getting them to me. Sure couldn't have done it without them, that's for sure!!!
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Sep 30, 2019 12:52 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
I tip my hat to you. So glad you both are pleased with them. That's a great list Nick. As time goes on you may want to think about trading offsets with others so you can futher build your collection.There are so many more to choose from in all shapes, sizes, and colors The yellows and oranges are my favorites but they will not grow in SC. They do however seem to like OR so you may want to check some of those out. Thumbs up
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Sep 30, 2019 1:09 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Thanks Daniel - I heard that you guys on the east coast, especially the SE states where having hot weather. How is it now? I heard that New York and Washington D.C. was getting in the 90s today.

Odd how those yellow and orange colors don't develop in SC. My greenhouse is partially shaded, and I think you need full sun for those nice colors to develop here in Oregon. We shall see ...
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Sep 30, 2019 2:46 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
its hot here car reads 94F right now. Still no rain either Sighing!
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Sep 30, 2019 3:07 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
That is definitely too hot for you this time of year! Nobody knows what to expect from this topsy-turvy weather. And when it does rain, it pours - as the saying goes ... way too much (flooding, etc).

I think gone are the days of "normal" as far as the weather is concerned. Time to evaluate new crops and plants that can stand up to weather extremes like this.
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Sep 30, 2019 11:54 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
I've been trying to stay one step ahead of the game when it comes to edibles.
The world is changing. The left and the right can call it whatever they want but we need to come together and figure out how we are going to continue to feed the world with this wacky weather. Alternative food crops are going to be slow to catch on and alternative protein sources will be even slower. I seriously doubt America is ready for bugs and lab made meats to hit the shelves of Wal-Mart but they will slowly sneak in in things like they did with Carmine, a natural red dye derived from crushed cochineal bugs.
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Oct 1, 2019 12:46 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
I've got one better than that (Carmine) - it's what the English used to dye their military uniforms red in the days of Colonial America, giving them the name "Red Coats"

MADDER (Rubia tinctorum)

The roots are used to extract the dye. I have perennial plants that produce seeds annually. I used to sell the seeds online.


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MADDER (Rubia tinctorum)

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION (by Nick Rowlette)

about the seeds and the cultivation of the plants:

The Madder seeds were harvested in 2009 from my own plants, so the seeds are fresh and will readily germinate without difficulty. The most recent germination tests were made in March and April of 2010. There are no special requirements for germination of the seeds. Moist chilling (stratification) of the seeds prior do germination is not necessary. The seeds will germinate in darkness (exposure to light is not necessary). The optimum temperature for germination is approximately 70 F degrees, although the seeds are capable of germination at lower temperatures (I have not tested for low temperature germination). For stratified seeds, which have been moistened and chilled at approximately 38 F degrees for 7 days prior to sowing, the resulting rate of germination was 60% (March/April 2010). For seeds which were NOT stratified prior to sowing, the germination rate was 80% + (March/April 2010). The test period was 10 days, and the germination rates were noted at that time.
These germination tests were performed in an artificial environment (inside of a greenhouse with temperature maintained at approximately 70 F degrees), so in a natural environment where the seeds are sown in garden soil and exposed to the weather, the germination rate and the number of days from sowing to emergence of the seedlings will vary.
I originally obtained my Madder seeds from Richters, Goodwood, Ontario (www.richters.com) in the mid-1980's and raised several plants. The seeds which are listed here have been collected from those plants.

AFTER THE SEEDS GERMINATE:

For optimum growth of the seedlings, and especially for the plants in the later stages of growth, constant attention should be given to make sure that the stems (which have a growth habit similar to vines) have support to keep them growing in a vertical position, rather than to let them just ramble over the ground (or soil medium) in a horizontal position.
When you germinate the seeds, have something ready to support the stems at the very earliest stages of growth, such as a number of thin bamboo sticks (or wooden skewers, or wooden chopsticks which have been split into thin sections) and insert these into the ground (or growing medium) among the seedlings. Keep constant attention to this (adding additional longer sticks) as they grow, and you will have an ideal environment for the growth of the plants.
For larger plants (in the following years), provide an artificial thicket for the plants by cutting some long willow, alder, or young limbs from similar trees, and form them into a thicket over and among the Madder plants. The ends of the limbs (which should be dead wood, without foliage) can be sharpened to a point and poked into the ground, and the tops can be tied together with cord. Try to obtain at least 5 ft. tall limbs for the first year of the plants growth, using small twigs at first, then progressing on to longer limb sections as needed, depending on how fast the plants are growing. The plants will grow very quickly if there is always something long enough for the stems to cling to. If the stems are just allowed to ramble in a horizontal position, the rate of growth will be much less. In this respect, Madder is similar in growth habit to young grape plants.
The stems and leaves of the Madder plants are covered with extremely small and numerous spiny structures which they use to adhere to a rough surface in a clinging manner. Artificial supports such as wire, metal or plastic are not recommended to support the stems, since these materials are too smooth to allow the stems and leaves to cling to them. The natural environment for this plant seems to be a fairly dense thicket of old dead woody material from which the shoots of the plants can emerge in the early spring (Madder dies back naturally during the fall/winter, and new shoots emerge in late winter/early spring). Old established plants need from 8 to 10 feet of some material (stakes, fence, wall, etc.) to adequately support the long stems so they won't be broken off by heavy rains and strong winds.
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Oct 3, 2019 3:56 PM CST

NickyNick said:Tai ~

As you can see from the above updated list, there are MANY more for you to see than the last time you saw them. They are all now planted in soil where you can look at them easily and select the ones you want to take with you and pot up. I hope you have room in your little shop window to display a lot of them. All of the folks here on this thread : Daniel, Lynn and others were entirely responsible for getting them to me. Sure couldn't have done it without them, that's for sure!!!

Thank you everyone!
I've planted all of the them we picked out yesterday along with the Easter lily cactus babies.
Thank you for the great suggestion of putting the rocks on top. I purchased a bag of "horticulture sand" at Portland Nursery today and it makes all the difference in the appeal of the tiny pots.
Also thank you Nick for the guidance on how to soak the pots to water them. It works surprisingly fast.

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Oct 3, 2019 7:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Amazing! Portland Nursery had just the thing you needed - and the plants look PERFECT ☺
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Oct 3, 2019 8:04 PM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Wow. What a difference the sand makes. Looks awesome Tia.
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Oct 6, 2019 8:57 AM CST

RROWLETT said:

Wikipedia I think.
From now on, I will include the source for anything I post like that.

I am going to try to remember to fill a few coffee cans with OceanLake beach sand, for Tai to use to top her plant display.
NickyNick, you also mentioned one can add to the topping of beach sand for a nice finish for the little pots?

Thank you. I've got the horticulture sand but if you do remember the sand from the beach that will be handy.
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Oct 6, 2019 8:58 AM CST

RROWLETT said:I filled two 3LB Coffee cans with sand today... NickyNick thought sea sand would be OK, if not then there's always something to do with it...

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The sand is damp, when dry it's almost white...
RR

Thank you
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Oct 6, 2019 4:31 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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Just be careful of salt content on the beach sand.
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Oct 6, 2019 10:30 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Tai ~ I've got the beach sand here at my house (from RROWLETT)

check it out on :

Native Sand & Gravel
Sandbox forum

P.S. Hi Lynn ☺
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Oct 7, 2019 7:18 PM CST
Name: Jo Ann
Washington State (Zone 7a)
Sempervivums
Welcome! NickyNick
Welcome! Tai
I am not on the forum as often as I would like to be as I work A LOT and do not type very fast Hilarious!
I have just read this entire thread...so interesting
Can't wait to meet you both at clinic.
Soil mix is a discussion that can go on for days. I am a greenhouse grower and find that Pro mix HP works well for me. Outside I use a mix of very sandy soil composted bark and pumice.
I share Lynn's concern about beach sand.
Best of luck with your new babies
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Oct 7, 2019 11:18 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
Thank you ricos (Jo Ann) for your comments. I have the beach sand myself and Tai won't be using it. She is using the horticultural sand (gravel) that she bought at Portland Nursery.

Check out what I'm doing in :

Native Sand & Gravel
Sandbox forum

A very appropriate place for posting detailed pics and enlargements (and discussion) about sand ... the Sandbox forum ☺
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Oct 13, 2019 2:29 PM CST
Name: Sol Zimmerdahl
Portland, Oregon (Zone 8b)
Container Gardener Garden Art Sempervivums
Nick, Tai, RRowlette, and Lee Ann,
It's nice to meet some new Sempervivum fans!
I've been meaning to welcome you to the forum as well. I thought it'd be prudent to read all of the posts on your thread before responding and it's been hard to keep up lately because I've been so busy preparing for the Eugene Oregon pottery show, Clay Fest.
Allow me to introduce myself, I am a Portland local ceramic sculptor who specializes in planters resembling mountains and rock formations, these planters are primarily potted up with sedum and sempervivum. I call the line "Geological Forms" and I've been selling them professionally for 6 years. As of 2018 I also began to hybridize my own sempervivum cultivars.

Nick,
Though I couldn't read the text I really enjoyed the Yong Seol videos you first posted. I especially liked the planters made of stones, they remind me alot of the work I do in ceramics. I also have interest in the designated art of bonsai, these sort of plantings are similar in they're artistic expressions but have yet to receive the same level of respect as the art of bonsai in the United States. Over the last few years I've met a handful of other serious container gardeners specializing in Sempervivum. Being as it is that this art is less defined than the art of bonsai, I've found that a wider variety of approaches have been taken to the subject. It's less bound by traditional rules, (at least in the eyes of container gardeners of the Northwest US) making less conventional plantings like Tai's picture frame well within the scope of the art form. I have also come across artists using driftwood, found objects and combinations of wire mesh and moss to mold succulent sculptures into all sorts of shapes, so you can see how much variety there is in approach. This certainly keeps things interesting!

Tai,
I am excited to hear your a Portland Nursery shopper now! The Portland Nursery store on Stark street carries my planters, both planted and unplanted. You'll primarily find them in the pottery shed off to the left of the parking lot, their marked as "Zimmerdahl Productions" pots and each bares my signature. Worth a look on your next visit if nothing else!
I really like what your doing with the boxes and picture frame, I to often find myself using a variety of hardy succulents in my plantings to add interest with contrasting colors and forms, though I keep "specimen" containers with labeled cultivars as well. Each piece should be looked at as a conversation between the pot and it's plants. Good Compositions between the two will compliment eachother well. For this I sometimes find keeping it simple with a single cultivar can be elegant, on other occasions I will use as many varieties as possible to create a complex and intricate visual.

I'm finishing up my Eugene art show today, here are some rough pictures of the work I brought to the event this year just to give you an idea of what I do. Clayfest closes down at 5:30pm this evening, after that I'll be packing up and heading back to Portland.
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Good luck in your endeavors!
-Sol Zimmerdahl
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Oct 13, 2019 2:54 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
Forum moderator Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 1
Very cool planters!
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Oct 13, 2019 5:16 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Nick Rowlett
Gladstone, OR (Zone 7a)
to GeologicalForms :

Welcome as a new member!

I especially like the grey or whitish ones - very natural looking and perfect for the tiny sempervivums and sedums. And as signed unique artworks, very reasonably priced also. I'm sure that Tai will look for them at Portland Nursery during her next visit.

They would be perfect for what Tai is looking for, something unique for her shop.

I suppose you have your own kiln and fire them yourself; maybe you could comment a little on that: how big of a kiln, electric or gas, what types of clay, etc.

> Nick
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Oct 13, 2019 5:16 PM CST
Name: Sol Zimmerdahl
Portland, Oregon (Zone 8b)
Container Gardener Garden Art Sempervivums
Thanks Rj!

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