Hello,
I am curious if anyone knows where to get an anthurium Marie? I have seen it on https://www.eldontropicals.com... but its always out of stock. I bought one on UrbanSprouts but I have serious doubts it is the right species. The characteristics are not consistent with any of the stages of Anthurium Marie's life its much to ruffled. I collect These massive anthuriums and am fascinated by them

You could message exoticatropicals on eBay. I know they've had them before. I saw an old photo on their webpage when I was researching anthurium. The name sticks out to me because it's what my husband calls me.

Good luck

Adriennevs said:You could message exoticatropicals on eBay. I know they've had them before. I saw an old photo on their webpage when I was researching anthurium. The name sticks out to me because it's what my husband calls me.

Good luck

Thank you!!!

I have a Marie. Its a nice plant. Marie was hybridized by Steve and Marie Nock of Ree Gardens in Pinecrest (FL). Ree Gardens used to have a nursery, I think they closed it though. They still of course maintain the gardens. They may also open the gardens for sales at times, the way a lot of collectors do. A friend of mine and I are planning to go down there at some point next spring, he knows Marie personally, from IAS meetings past.

Ree Gardens has a Facebook page, you might look at that and call them or contact them and see if they might sell you a plant. They may, they may not...but if it came from them, you could be certain it was the real Marie not a no-name hookeri hybrid being passed off as Marie

Something to think about with Anthurium Marie....there was some discussion about this plant over 10 years ago on forums among hybridizers and this is kind of what was tossed around....
Marie is the result of a very long and not totally scientific (as in crosses well documented) breeding line. Its exact parentage is unknown. It is an extremely 'variable' plant because it is felt that there are a lot of chromosomal mismatches (different ploidys from different parents that don't line up) that have caused several morphological variations, including very variable lengths and shapes in leaves, the expression of double spadices, and unusually shaped spathes. It has been noted that while most Pachyneurium anthuriums readily produce pollen and set seeds, at that time at least no one had ever had a 'Marie' set seed and pollen production was very scant and usually sequestered to the extreme lower portion of the spadix. The only real hallmark of Marie is that the leaves should flush reddish in high light, and it can be grown in full sun without burning because it will produce these anthocyanins that help protect the leaves. Kind of like people tan.

Marie was placed into tissue culture back at a time when the TC companies were a lot more interested in plants that were not necessarily patented or trademarked and could be produced as quick sales. They flooded the market and sold very well. Apparently the gentleman who hybridized it never registered Marie as a cultivar, so no one is even certain how to write the name. Placing it into quotation marks 'Marie' generally means it is a registered cultivar. Using a small 'x' in front of Marie with no quotation marks would indicate it was a species (kind of like the ALocasia x amazonica fiasco...amazonica is not a species it is a hybrid and this designation is totally wrong the way it is written). Since to the knowledge of everyone at that time it was never registered, patented or trademarked, everyone just felt it was best to just write it 'Anthurium Marie'.

So the fact that yours, @GoldBeardThePirate is ruffled more does not mean that it is NOT a Marie. Mine is also kind of ruffly and there are many documented photos of this trait in the huge pool of Marie's. Some have pointy ends, some not so much. Mine is kind of being shaded out by another huge plant that has grown to overshadow it, but it has in the past had leaves that were so dark they were maroon. So I am relatively sure its Marie. Also, I got it about 100 years ago LOL when they were very, VERY common

I love coming on here and constantly learning something new. Currently Im giving it plenty of light to see if it gets darker. I knew it was unstable genetically in that it is a bit of a wild card save for the tanning it does. I'll keep and eye in it but I feel better after reading your post.

Gina1960 said:Something to think about with Anthurium Marie....there was some discussion about this plant over 10 years ago on forums among hybridizers and this is kind of what was tossed around....
Marie is the result of a very long and not totally scientific (as in crosses well documented) breeding line. Its exact parentage is unknown. It is an extremely 'variable' plant because it is felt that there are a lot of chromosomal mismatches (different ploidys from different parents that don't line up) that have caused several morphological variations, including very variable lengths and shapes in leaves, the expression of double spadices, and unusually shaped spathes. It has been noted that while most Pachyneurium anthuriums readily produce pollen and set seeds, at that time at least no one had ever had a 'Marie' set seed and pollen production was very scant and usually sequestered to the extreme lower portion of the spadix. The only real hallmark of Marie is that the leaves should flush reddish in high light, and it can be grown in full sun without burning because it will produce these anthocyanins that help protect the leaves. Kind of like people tan.

Marie was placed into tissue culture back at a time when the TC companies were a lot more interested in plants that were not necessarily patented or trademarked and could be produced as quick sales. They flooded the market and sold very well. Apparently the gentleman who hybridized it never registered Marie as a cultivar, so no one is even certain how to write the name. Placing it into quotation marks 'Marie' generally means it is a registered cultivar. Using a small 'x' in front of Marie with no quotation marks would indicate it was a species (kind of like the ALocasia x amazonica fiasco...amazonica is not a species it is a hybrid and this designation is totally wrong the way it is written). Since to the knowledge of everyone at that time it was never registered, patented or trademarked, everyone just felt it was best to just write it 'Anthurium Marie'.

So the fact that yours, @GoldBeardThePirate is ruffled more does not mean that it is NOT a Marie. Mine is also kind of ruffly and there are many documented photos of this trait in the huge pool of Marie's. Some have pointy ends, some not so much. Mine is kind of being shaded out by another huge plant that has grown to overshadow it, but it has in the past had leaves that were so dark they were maroon. So I am relatively sure its Marie. Also, I got it about 100 years ago LOL when they were very, VERY common

Show us yours

that does look like a typical Marie

I cannot thank you enough for your input.

Plowmanii also looks a lot like that

Gina1960 said:Plowmanii also looks a lot like that

That's was my concern. I have a plowmanii and the super ruffled leaves and even the lateral vein counts where pretty much the same.

Does that one blush? In high sun?

Gina1960 said:Does that one blush? In high sun?

I'm testing that now. That's the mark of the Marie. Its what drew me to this variety.

U have this one, its a Marie-like plant, by Denis Rotolante at SilverKrome...Its called 'Big Red Bird' but has become pretty shaded in the GH I will move it outside when the weather is reliably warm into the sun. It had a great blush this last summer

I wondered about big red birds! I see those on eBay and always laugh at the name!

They ARE big...this will be a monster when it gets bigger!

I just picked up a big red bird this weekend. Beautiful plant and interesting purple veins. The nursery had a massive MARIE for a couple hundred. Im over there debating buying it.

Well WOW I have a bird nest that large but it isn;t Marie. That IS massive!