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Sep 15, 2012 5:20 PM CST
Name: stephanie king
cut bank, MT z 3a-4b
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I would be Happy surrounded by toothy blooms. Thumbs up
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Sep 15, 2012 6:42 PM CST
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
I've never seen anything like these toothed wonders! Are they all evergreens and would any of them survive northern climes? We've had temps as low as -15 F in my area but normally have deep snow cover. I have a couple evergreens which are doing well but they are older more plain varieties without the frills and teeth.
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Sep 15, 2012 7:04 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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Brian, a lot of toothy daylilies do come from the north. Polston, Gossard, Bonibrae, Benz are among some of the Northern hybridizers and they are evergreen, semi-evergreen, and dormant ones. There are Southern hybridizers also that do have dormant toothy ones.
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Sep 15, 2012 7:25 PM CST
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Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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When I first became aware of the toothiest all I saw were dormants and now I've found SEV's, and I can't remember if I've actually see an EV toothy daylily. Michele, can you give us the names of a few? I would dearly love to get my hands on some!
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Sep 15, 2012 7:56 PM CST
Name: Jan
Hustisford, WI
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Don't toothy ones show up better in hot weather? I thought I heard that somewhere

And is Horns worth all the hype?
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Sep 15, 2012 9:37 PM CST
Name: Karin
Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
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Jan, I have also heard that the teeth on daylilies are more pronounced in warmer weather. As we all know color can be affected by temp so I bet it's a similar case with toothy plants.

As for the qualities of HORNS I'm not one to judge as the toothy ones are not my favorite but it is very hardy, the flowers always open up well, it's a tall plant and the scapes do not lean. I'm sure it would be a good plant to hybridize with. I will say that I'm happy to see some plants with teeth in colors other than yellow, orange or a combination thereof.. Thumbs up

Betty, Luddy Lambertson has some nice toothy plants available that are evergreen. Check out his CALIFORNIA CONDOR. Another older but goodie is EIGHT MILES HIGH
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Dan Hansen has been doing some nice toothy ones also.The pics below were taken during a visit to his gardens a couple of years ago.
VORACIOUS VIXEN
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VIPER PIT
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FINS TO THE LEFT
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Sep 15, 2012 9:58 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
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Betty, you are so right about not being many evergreen toothy ones. Here's a few: Tooth, Spacecoast Loose Tooth, Snaggle Tooth, Spacecoast Snaggle Tooth, Gothic Finery, Gnashing of Teeth, Toothy Grin, Swordfish Pike, Bitten Agin, Briar Patch

Jan, Some daylilies do show more teeth in hotter climates, but there are some that are just as toothy in colder climates. I don't know any right off the top of my head, but I have seen photos of some taken in Northern Gardens that show lots of teeth. A lot of non-toothy daylilies will produce teeth if the temp and humidity are right.
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Sep 16, 2012 4:47 AM CST
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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I believe Forestlake Ragamuffin is dormant Brian.
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Sep 16, 2012 9:45 AM CST
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Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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How about the dormant BASS GIBSON? Newyorkrita has shown pictures of it growing on Long Island. Do any other northerners have that one, and if so how does it perform?

Karin, those are really beautiful and I love those colors, and I got EIGHT MILES HIGH this summer from Maryott's. My ultimate goal is to get toothy minis and smalls, though, and I feel I should be working with the wider petals whenever I can, plus I'm only doing this for my own pleasure so I'm looking for either EV's or SEV's now because DOR's diminish over time in my hot summer garden. I do like the narrow toothy petals a lot, but for the little guys I think wider petals would be better. BITTEN AG'IN is a good toothy one for me and I've collected and frozen pollen for an early (hopefully!) start next spring.
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Sep 16, 2012 10:44 AM CST
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Don't have it but would love Bass Gibson.
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Sep 16, 2012 11:13 AM CST
Name: stephanie king
cut bank, MT z 3a-4b
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I have some Toothy ones here Zonw 3A-4B depending on the year. Forestlake Ragamuffin and Startle are the better so far. None seem to overperform here. Stitched in Gold also does pretty well. Have not seen a bloom yet in 3 years on I Wanna Piranha but it is a nice plant???
I have a lot of seedlings I hope tosee next year with toothy parents. I do think they need warmer weather to bring out the teeth as the edge tissue responds to heat and humidity by growing faster and swelling with those conditions I read somewhere but cannot remember now where.
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Sep 16, 2012 2:50 PM CST
Name: Karin
Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
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Betty, if you're looking to put some teeth on some small UF's might I suggest that you check our Pat Cochenour's daylilies. She has some very cute little ones like LITTLE LEMON TWIST, SNOW CRAB and LITTLE DONNY DARKO. They might be good to use for small size flowers with teeth. Thumbs up
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Sep 16, 2012 7:11 PM CST
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Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Thanks Karin! I'll do that!
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Jul 4, 2018 12:02 AM CST
Name: Diana
Lincoln, NE (Zone 5b)
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Okay, so I'm dragging this one back from obscurity....

I'm sure there are plenty of newer toothy ones we've all added... Here's mine...
Crossfire Hurricane

Crown of Creation (fringed)

Entwined in the Vine

It's a Miracle

Laughing Giraffe

Raptor Rap

Ruckus (tentacles)

Spacecoast Fringe Benefit

Spiny Sea Urchin

Sun Bear
Bravery is not being unafraid. Bravery is being afraid and living life anyways.
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Jul 4, 2018 8:14 AM CST
Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
philljm said:Don't toothy ones show up better in hot weather? I thought I heard that somewhere

And is Horns worth all the hype?


A lot of water has passed under the bridge since this thread started, and Horns is widely available now. I've had it for two growing seasons, and even in my cool-evening semi-coastal climate, it opens well, and still has big teeth and horns. I'd say it's about 10% "milder" than the picture, which, as daylily blooms go out here, is really saying something. It has some twisting to it too—I think of it as the "Primal Scream" of toothy daylilies. It's tall, with strong scapes. I'll bloom Bighorn in about two weeks.

Strangely, Forestlake Ragamuffin doesn't show much in the way of teeth here. There's some small fringe occasionally, but overall, it seems to be very weather-dependent. It's not too good of an opener either. Fortunately, some of the kids show good edges in cooler climates.

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FLR x Corn Fed seedling. It shows
much more edge than FLR has
ever shown here. It's only 4" and
takes all morning to open.
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Looking at FLR and tet. Spindazzle in this garden, the idea that Horns came from that pairing really seems fantastical. Quite a few daylilies with that same parentage are in commerce, mostly from Gossard and Benz.

John Benz raves about Bass Gibson's flower and scape/branching. Mine was carrying a scape when shipped this spring, so it probably won't bloom again until next year. Ruckus does pretty well, but seems to need warmer nights in order to really get toothy.

Needles In A Haystack is a bright yellow with teeth and tendrils all over it, and doesn't seem to need much heat. Another great one that seems to have slipped through the cracks. I think I paid under $20 for it three years ago. Really looks wild in the garden.
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