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Dec 28, 2012 9:15 AM CST
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
Here's an interesting article on slug baits. Sorry, guess I don't know how to make it a hyperlink...

http://www.hostalibrary.org/fi...
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Dec 28, 2012 12:08 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
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I'm no expert, and I didn't read all of the long scientific studies contained within it. But what I did read raised more questions than answers.

For one thing, I no longer have small children or pets to worry about. Moreover, when I had both, they didn't eat my garden soil. Second, I tried to get through one of the scientific studies. In one, the method used was to feed the animal (dogs) "large amounts" of the product. ANY CHEMICAL will most likely have deleterious effects if taken at many times the recommended dose.
-e.g. Say I take a pill every day to control hypertension. It works well to control my BP and prevent the complications that might arise from that hypertension. It's a chemical. But if I take a week's worth of pills in a day, or a month's worth, it might kill me... So when a study admits to using "many times" the recommended dose of something, it just doesn't ring true to me.

In the earthworm study "Iron phosphate pellets disappeared at a slightly slower rate
than metaldehyde, whereas those containing Sluggo, EDTA or
EDDS disappeared much more slowly. At the end of the experiment,
the microcosms were emptied, earthworms were sorted from the
soil, counted and weighed (Fig. 3). There was virtually no earthworm
mortality over the 14 days of the experiment, but there were
considerable differences in earthworm weights, although none of
them differed significantly (P  0.05), from the control earthworm
mean weights. The earthworms that were exposed to Sluggo
(recommended application rate) gained significantly less weight
(P  0.05) than those exposed to iron phosphate only, as did those
exposed to five times the recommended application rate of Sluggo"

Doesn't sound lethal, but rather like something which will soon hit the market as a human diet pill. Hilarious! And they were feeding the worms at 5 times the recommended rate. (Just like a month's worth of BP pills at once might kill a human)

Karen
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Dec 28, 2012 6:12 PM CST
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Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
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Good article! I read that before and It does make a lot of sence about the iron poisoning. I have been using the liquid for a long time and the good thing about the liquid is you can't pick it up and put it in your mouth. But it does wash away when it rains and that gets frustrating. I have no small children or pets so I would be fine with the pellets.
I read several times when I was on the Hosta forum at DG about chipmunks and squirrels stuffing their self with the sluggo. Kinda makes me wonder. Hilarious!
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Dec 28, 2012 7:34 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Makes Sluggo sound worth it's weight in gold if it gets rid of tree rats too! Hilarious!

Karen
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Dec 29, 2012 3:56 AM CST
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Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
God is the only thing that matters.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Level 1 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Hibiscus Dragonflies Daylilies
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Thumbs up Hilarious!
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Mat.6:28-29
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Dec 29, 2012 10:44 AM CST
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
There always seems to be more questions than answers for any poison in my mind. For that reason, I don't use them. If a plant can't stand up to my slug population on its own, then it is probably not in the right place. This year, I will reluctantly yard out my ligularia 'Othello' which is a lovely plant on the east side of the mountains (slug free) but resembles a doily in my yard. Another ligularia 'The Rocket' fares much better. No clue if one is stronger, one is tastier, or there are just more slugs on one side of the house than the other. In any case, out comes Othello. I may try planting it in a container and putting it where I can give it constant patrolling, it really is a beautiful plant. Strangely, my hostas get a bit nibbled on but not too bad, whereas others have posted constant problems with slugs/hostas. I wonder if it has anything to do with the ground cover in my hosta bed, which is that stinky (to me) houttuynia? Perhaps the slugs dislike the scent as much as I do...
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Dec 29, 2012 4:07 PM CST
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Name: Susan
Virginia (Zone 8a)
God is the only thing that matters.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Level 1 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Hibiscus Dragonflies Daylilies
Bee Lover Dahlias Butterflies Hostas Birds Lilies
I think it has more to do with conditions than smell. Do they have a nose? They like moisture and they slide around on their own slime and so do other slugs, they use each others slime to get around, kinda like a slime network. Whistling
They hate pine straw. Slugs do not like the sharp, pointy pine needles poking their slimy bodies.
I have mostly slug resistant Hostas and I really do not put stuff down very often. If they eat it they eat it and I won't buy it again.
I have seen a few I really wanted that were not slug resistant and I put pine straw around them and works pretty good.
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Mat.6:28-29

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