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Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 7, 2012 1:31 PM CST
Hello Everyone,
I am excited to be presenting these plants for ID. I collected all of them on my trip back from Ecuador, & some reach incredible sizes as well as some interesting variations. I always get directed to the Aroids forum with all of my ID requests. I posted in both locations.

This plant gets leaves longer than 3 feet in the wild. I have some mature specimens as well.
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This plant grows huge as well.
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This is a monstera, but I forget the name.
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This plant grows like a bird nest.
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This plant gets long anterior lobes, but is just a young pup at the moment.
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This also gets leaves of 3 feet or more.
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The person I got this plant from called it a gallanita, but that is obviously a local name that means nothing when searching the net.
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I can not find anything on this plant. It climbs , has about 1' long divisions between leaves, & hairy petioles. This is an extrodinary looking Philodendron. (I think)
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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Dec 7, 2012 2:08 PM CST

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Noel, "This plant grows like a bird nest." is the plant with the white veins? Does it have leathery feeling leaves (with a lot of substance)?
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Bubbles
Dec 7, 2012 2:31 PM CST
Philodendron verrucosum is the the plant in the last 5 photos. I have a small one in a basket.
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JRsbugs
Dec 7, 2012 2:49 PM CST
Monstera adansonii?

http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Monstera%20adansonii%20pc.ht...

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-129569
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JRsbugs
Dec 7, 2012 3:01 PM CST
The plant which grows like a bird's nest .. Anthurium clarinervium

http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20clarinervum%20la...

http://www.dragonagro.com/wholesale_anthurium.htm
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JRsbugs
Dec 7, 2012 3:27 PM CST
The plant called gallanita could be Dieffenbachia antioquensis, there is a drawing with the name spelled perhaps wrongly as Dieffenbachia antioquiensis ..

http://www.plantillustrations.org/taxa.php?id_taxon=9352&lay...

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-61698

It's in Colombia and Ecuador ..

http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2102562?tab=specimens



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Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 7, 2012 9:35 PM CST
Evan, JRsbugs ID'd the plant as Anthurium clarinervium which seems to be it.
Thanks for ID'ing it & the Monstera.
I am not sure about the chicken plant(gallanita).

Thanks to Bubbles for ID'ing the Philodendron verrucosum. I have 3 plants & a long vine that I am hoping sprouts some pups. The biggest I have is over 6' long with 9" leaves. Beautiful plant.

No ideas on the others???
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eclayne
Dec 7, 2012 9:49 PM CST

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Beautiful bunch of plants Noel. I took a photo of A. clarinervium at a local botanical garden and was amazed. Very beautiful and the leaves are very leathery, I couldn't resist. Based upon the article at Exotic Rainforest your plant is not likely A. clarinervium which it notes is only endemic to a restricted area in Mexico. Perhaps A. crystallinum? What do you think Janet? http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20crystallinum%20p...

Good future hunting.
Evan
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JRsbugs
Dec 8, 2012 4:54 AM CST
That is probably correct Evan, they are so alike, interesting that it mentions:

Dr. Croat indicates this species is likely related to Anthurium crystallinum.


Also for Anthurium crystallinum:

According to Dr. Tom Croat's journal A Revision of the Genus Anthurium (Araceae) of Mexico and Central America Part II: Panama, Anthurium crystallinum is noted as having been originally collected in Colombia in the late 1800's. However, no type specimen exactly matching the original description has ever been seen or located in Colombia since that time.


Both names are accepted on The Plant List, maybe it's one which is the same plant yet nobody wants to (or is willing to) challenge it.
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JRsbugs
Dec 8, 2012 5:24 AM CST
I found a pdf with a Preliminary List of Native Vascular Plants of the Department of Antioquia, Colombia which might prove useful ..

http://www.revistas.unal.edu.co/index.php/refame/article/vie...

I got the clue from the references link on Tropicos..

http://www.tropicos.org/Name/2100552
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 8, 2012 7:00 AM CST
I am noting that on these sites listing plants / the scientific data that it lists where the plants were collected. Mine were collected on the trip back from Tulcan to Tumaco. All were collected on the sea level side of the mountains. None were collected in the mountains.
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eclayne
Dec 8, 2012 11:26 AM CST

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Great links Janet. Smith College Botanic Garden has examples of both, leaf photos of which are in our DB, with unrecorded provenance. I'll just have to go back and compare. Dr. Croat's book notes both species are in section Cardiolonchium.

A. crystallinum: http://www.aroid.org/genera/anthurium/cardiolonchium/crystal...
A. clarinervium: http://www.aroid.org/genera/anthurium/cardiolonchium/clarin....

Thanks for the geographic reference Noel, I finally went to google maps to figure out where you are.
Go Aiel.
Evan
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 8, 2012 11:49 AM CST
Heya Evan,
Is that a football team? I am not up on the sports here. If you found this place on Google, then you probably were not able to see that Tumaco is two small islands right on the southern coast of Colombia. I will see if I can find a link to a photo of that.

The plants I collected are amazing. I am waiting on one to unfurl the leaf it has to try & get an ID. At the moment it is not showing much! HEHE!

I can barely wait until next week when I get another chance to collect flowering plants also. I only collected philodendron like types this trip. I am sure my wife will like a collection of flowering plants for the yard when we move!
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Bubbles
Dec 8, 2012 2:01 PM CST
Noel, after reading a bit about my Philo., I think I need to move it to a larger basket. I'm also moving it inside. It seems to be picky about cool weather.
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 8, 2012 2:41 PM CST
I would suggest giving it a moss totem to climb as well. Are you finding it difficult to keep the air roots moist? The plant I collected has bunches, but they dried out nearly completely after bringing the plant home. I am trying to wrap them in moist sawdust until I can find some moss. I think this may burn them after the sawdust begins to mulch, but I won't leave this for that long.
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Bubbles
Dec 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST
Front and back view of small 6" pot. I haven't done anything but water this plant. A friend and I were at a tropical nursery in Central TX in early fall. I thought I was buying two anthuriums, but this one isn't, of course. It has grown a little since then, but we've had very high temps and no rain. It's 81° today. I'll repot it and bring it in to the kitchen and see if it's any happier there.

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Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 8, 2012 5:29 PM CST
Hello again Bubbles,
I know very little about this plant other than where I found my specimens. They were all growing up some thin saplings which were all growing in the litter on the floor of the forest. The saplings & the philodendrons had no roots in the actual soil. Also it was very wet even though it had not rained that day, so I assume it stays moist there year round. I know when I brought the specimens home, the air roots on the largest one which I placed outside with my other philodendrons shriveled overnight. I now have it inside with an old sock keeping each of the nodes wet. I do know that it likes to climb, & gets leggy when it climbs. I found more on it here http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20verrucosum%20...

Noel
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Name: Sandi
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Bubbles
Dec 8, 2012 5:48 PM CST
Well,back into the greenhouse it goes! So much to learn. I'm afraid its doomed living here. Our 100s in summer are not going to make it a happy grower. BTW, that's a great website! Thanks
Name: Noel Calvert
Tumaco, Colombia-South America (Zone 13b)
A gringo?Where?(does a doubletake)
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NoelCalvert
Dec 8, 2012 6:20 PM CST
Yea. Awesome information on all the aroids I have found so far. I would just bring it in the house with a moss totem to keep it moist & cooler in the summer months. Just a thought.
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