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Nov 25, 2020 7:44 PM CST
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Melbourne, Australia
These appear in the garden beds where we've planted peaches and plums seeds.

The small plant have small leaves roughly around the size of 3x1 cm, vaguely serrated edge, grow low, have tiny flowers groups.

The one with big leaves is already around 1meter high, the leaves have serrated edge and feels a bit velvety.

Can anyone help to identify them? Any help is much appreciated.
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Nov 26, 2020 4:26 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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The first looks looks very similar to a type of Alfalfa that ends up in hay bales around here and then gets away when the bales are used for flood control. Its pretty invasive once let loose.

The second, ... The only tree I can think of where the petiole end of the leaf wraps around the stem like that is Platanus but the leaves are the wrong shape. Everything else is right: alternate, fuzzy, perfoliate leaves.
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Nov 26, 2020 6:40 PM CST
Name: John
Pomona/Riverside CA (Zone 9a)
I was thinking maybe a willow.
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Nov 27, 2020 6:49 PM CST
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Melbourne, Australia
Thank You! for your replies.
I did a bit of browsing online, the small one is indeed a type of alfalfa with yellow flowers (falcata) . Still unsure of the other one but very likely came from a nearby tree.
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Nov 27, 2020 8:05 PM CST
Name: John
Pomona/Riverside CA (Zone 9a)
If you figure it out let us know. If you come up with some possibilities, post some more pictures and we'll try to help.
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Nov 28, 2020 10:05 PM CST
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Melbourne, Australia
Could this possibly be a type of elm tree? English elm??

Here are some more pictures. The first one is the two stems of the same(young) tree in the pot, per my original post.

The subsequent photos are of a new/young stem of a nearby tree which I think look similar (leaves are alternate, serrated margin, a small tiny leaf at the petiole end, furry, similar leaf veins). This tree has been around for more than 20 years.


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Nov 28, 2020 10:20 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Could be. Good detectvie work. Thumbs up
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Nov 29, 2020 5:58 AM CST
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Could this possibly be a type of elm tree? English elm??

Here are some more pictures. The first one is the two stems of the same(young) tree in the pot, per my original post.

The subsequent photos are of a new/young stem of a nearby tree which I think look similar (leaves are alternate, serrated margin, a small tiny leaf at the petiole end, furry, similar leaf veins). This tree has been around for more than 20 years.


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Nov 29, 2020 7:50 AM CST
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That doesn't resemble an elm to me.
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Nov 29, 2020 12:51 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Hamwild said:That doesn't resemble an elm to me.


Looking at my bigger screen with my morning eyes, I agree, not an elm.
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Nov 29, 2020 12:58 PM CST
Name: Rj
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Possibly in the popular family
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Nov 29, 2020 4:30 PM CST
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I can't say what it is, but as you are searching, you might get some better hits if you knew that those tiny leaves at the leaf stem base are called stipules.
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Nov 29, 2020 5:14 PM CST
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Leftwood said:I can't say what it is, but as you are searching, you might get some better hits if you knew that those tiny leaves at the leaf stem base are called stipules.


I don't see a petiole so called them perfoliate. Smiling
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Nov 29, 2020 5:53 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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Yeah, you have to look really hard.

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Either way, I still would call them stipules as the don't seem to be extensions of the main leaf. You might try both words (stipiules & perfoliate), as perhaps only a botanist would nitpick.
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Nov 30, 2020 4:45 AM CST
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Melbourne, Australia
Thank you everyone for your input Thumbs up
I'll use those two words and keep searching Thinking
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