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Growing Pains

By valleylynn
January 1, 2010

A plant clinic for Sempervivum, Jovibarba and J. heuffelii. This is a companion article for the Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum.

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Jul 15, 2010 6:33 AM CST
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Seller of Garden Stuff I sent a postcard to Randy!
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Hey Charleen, I have that same frog!

We have had soooo much rain here it's been insane. We were gone for 4 days and it rained every day at home. Last night we got another 2-3/4" !!!! Enough already! I have already lost some semps and have had to dig up others to try to save them. Supposed to rain again today, Saturday/Sunday and Tuesday. Sad Haven't been able to get my new bed finished because it's been too wet to dig.
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Jul 15, 2010 7:06 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
Is his eyes clouded? I'm thinking of painting them. I love frogs.
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Jul 15, 2010 10:19 AM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Wow Chris, that really is a lot of rain. Is it normal for this time of year for you?
This is our dry season. People think the PNW is constant rain, not so. I am having to water almost every day now.
Charleen, I kind of like his eyes, but then I don't know what he would look like with painted eyes. Rolling on the floor laughing I do know that I like him. Your new bed is going to be awesome in a very short time. It is amazing how fast things can start filling in.
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Jul 15, 2010 10:39 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
It is so cute. Almost glad that pot had to be transplanted. It sure doesn't look the same. Chris' chicks are looking good in there too.
Do you see them in there? If I had left them til fall I don't think they would have made it. Sun not so direct over here. I know I like it.

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Jul 15, 2010 10:49 AM CST

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Reminds me of that character from Star Wars - Jabba.

Pictures here if you are not familiar. Hilarious! He was bad enough that he probably ate Sempvivum and Jovibarba. Grumbling

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...
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Jul 15, 2010 11:09 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
Who Knows, they could have modeled him after a squesy old toad. I have another with a witch's hat. She has never been outside.
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Jul 15, 2010 11:25 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Rolling on the floor laughing twit you have such a sense of humor. Group hug I'm sure Charleens toad won't eat her lovely semps.
Charleen you have placed them in a great site, not your full intense GA sun. They will be so much happier now. And yes they do look so happy in their new home.
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Jul 15, 2010 11:34 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
He is funny! I thought I was bad. We keep getting better all the time Lynn.
I'm going to be in the Spot light sometime. Hope you all get to see it. haven't heard when yet.
Edit to say He! Sorry Twit.
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Jul 15, 2010 4:10 PM CST

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That's MR. Twit, if you don't mind. (harumph!) Blinking Grumbling Crying
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Jul 15, 2010 4:59 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Rolling on the floor laughing You two are so funny. Charleen just assumed you are female, since us gals can be such twits at times. Rolling on the floor laughing Whistling
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Jul 15, 2010 5:19 PM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
We do have more ladies than fellas so Calm down. I want to be friends. Mr. Harumph!!! Rolling on the floor laughing I like Twit better, less letters. Whistling
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Jul 15, 2010 6:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
I love calling him Doctor, or Dr. Houseleeks. Lovey dubby
I also love to say 'Is there a doctor in the house (thread/forum)?'. Thumbs up
I always know where to go. Big Grin
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Jul 15, 2010 6:49 PM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
Dear Dr. Houseleeks, I got a question. I have a strawberry pot the dog hasn't broke yet. The Sedums on the side look great. why doesn't the one on top??? I water it too. Think I'm going to move it and let the sedum fill in.
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Jul 15, 2010 6:56 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Do you have a picture for the doctor Charleen?
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Jul 15, 2010 7:48 PM CST

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Or a thousand words describing the problem? Rolling my eyes.
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Jul 15, 2010 7:54 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Picture is much easier Charleen. Rolling on the floor laughing One picture is worth a thousand words. Big Grin
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Jul 16, 2010 7:11 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
here they are. The ones in the top are not as pretty as the ones on the side.
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Jul 16, 2010 11:43 AM CST

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Charleen,

I think you may be dealing with three possibilities here.

1) Different varieties of sempervivum have different levels of vigor. The semps on top could be not as vigorous as the ones on the side.

2) Water movement in soil is governed by a number of forces, one of which is gravity. It may be that you are getting more moisture to be retained by the bottom of the strawberry jar, being that it is lower but also because it is closer to the ground/wood (which would retain and buffer moisture). Note that the semps on the top of the jar have some dried leaves around the crown of the plant. This could mean that these plants have been drying out more than the ones on the side which are lower and more protected. Sempervivum will sacrifice lower leave to keep the upper portion of the plant growing/alive when too dry. It's easy to spot this kind of behavior. For example, if you receive a package of bare root sempervivum, some will have dried leaves at the base of the plant, from having conserved water. You can demonstrate this behavior by just digging up a hen and leaving sit in the open unplanted for a few days and watching it.

3) With all of the other pots around, the base of the pot is probably getting more indirect light than direct sun. The conditions for the plants at the top may not be appropriate for the variety growing there, especially if they are getting a lot of sun in a hot climate.

I suggest you try watering (this container) more frequently, but with less water. This should stimulate the top plants more without drowning the bottom ones. You may also want to consider replacing the top semps with some that are more vigorous or a bit more shade for the top of the pot.

I always seem to have a few semps that are just not happy with their environment. Some will respond well to being moved to another location and others are just more demanding. ( I'm just thankful I didn't decide to collect orchids. I agree ) With a little TLC and some patience, I can usually figure out what the fussy ones want.

I tip my hat to you.
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Jul 16, 2010 11:52 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida (Zone 8a)
Walk in Peace / I'm Timber's Mom.
Miniature Gardening Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! I sent a postcard to Randy! Tip Photographer I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Mules Garden Ideas: Level 2 Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Beekeeper
Thank You, Doctor. i believe I may transplant my babies to make them happier.
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Jul 16, 2010 1:20 PM CST
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Master Level Seller of Garden Stuff I sent a postcard to Randy!
Sempervivums Sedums Region: Wisconsin Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Avid Green Pages Reviewer
Charleen, you have good looking chicks! Your new bed is a good home for them.

Here are my toads.

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