Growing Pains: Too much vacation sun

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Growing Pains

By valleylynn
January 1, 2010

A plant clinic for Sempervivum, Jovibarba and J. heuffelii. This is a companion article for the Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum.

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Name: Anna
North Texas (Zone 8a)
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canadanna
Aug 15, 2010 7:43 AM CST
I was on vacation and thought I had placed these with enough shade. I guess a week of 100 + temps and too much sun fried these heuffs. Can they be saved ?Thumb of 2010-08-15/canadanna/f23da9
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Name: Kin
Willamette Valley, OR.
Zone 8a
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floraSeeker_OR
Aug 15, 2010 11:00 AM CST
OH Grumbling NO!!
They are so sad to see. I hope you can save a few
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 15, 2010 3:58 PM CST
Anna, how disappointing to come home and find them that way. Crying I see live tissue which is a good sign. The doctor should be with us soon, I will let him examine the patient and give a diagnosis.
Name: Anna
North Texas (Zone 8a)
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canadanna
Aug 15, 2010 4:11 PM CST
They definitely need the ICU! Considering how many plants I had in pots, I am lucky that it is only two ....however, they are two of my favorites. Thanks for the sympathies.Thumb of 2010-08-15/canadanna/795920 This was Purple Haze before I left.

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twitcher
Aug 15, 2010 9:44 PM CST
If you have caught them in time, you should be able to save a couple. Fandango is one that I have and I have noted that it seems to be a bit more fragile than some of the other heuff's such as Purple Haze. I worry about Fandango based on what I see in the picture as it looks like there may be some rot. Crying

Immediately move the pots to a shaded area with bright indirect light and, hopefully, an area with lower temperatures. Give a small sip of water every couple of days and pray. Important: Do not apply water directly to the plant but beside it and make sure that the soil dries out for a few days between each watering. By "small" I mean a few drops of water applied near the plant. Seriously, don't overdo it.

Your plants have been highly stressed and need the water and shade from the sun. However, because they have been stressed, they are very susceptible to rot and mold at this time. If necessary and you can, bring them inside to a bright window that does not get sun and is a cool spot for a week or two.. They need a chance to recover more than they need a lot of light at this time. I would not transplant or move the plants themselves (leave them in the pot). The exception here is that if you have a singleton rosette not part of a cluster and you see it rotting, then you should immediately remove it from the soil and let dry for a few days. Try not to disturb the other plants if you do this.

I think you may lose your Fandango and a few Purple Haze, but it is hard to tell for sure from the pictures. I think, however, that there is a good chance of survival with some TLC. Thumbs up Group hug
Name: Anna
North Texas (Zone 8a)
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canadanna
Aug 15, 2010 10:24 PM CST
Thanks so much for the advice. I will bring them in to a bright window and let you know how they do.

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twitcher
Aug 16, 2010 12:20 AM CST
I'm sure you'll give them the best of care. Thumbs up
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Aug 16, 2010 7:08 AM CST
Hi Twit - good to see you again!! I was getting worried!! Group hug
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twitcher
Aug 16, 2010 8:07 AM CST
I'm here every day, but don't have much to say all the time. Hurray! That's probably a good thing! Thumbs up
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Aug 16, 2010 9:25 AM CST
Hilarious! But not true, we need you to check in so we don't worry! You know - it's that mother thing..... *Blush*
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 16, 2010 3:36 PM CST
Exactly, I agree with Chris, it is the female thing, we can't help it twit. Blinking My heart sings to see even a tiny post from you. Lovey dubby I have to say, my mind was running wild with thoughts of what might have happened to you. I am now secure in knowing all is well. Smiling
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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louise
Aug 16, 2010 9:30 PM CST
In east Texas, we have had 16 days of over 100 degrees,
with heat indexes of 110-115. I think many of my small plants
are stressed to the limit. I've moved them from a south porch
where they got a lot of mid-day sun, to the east side where
there is only sun from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
I'm having to water every day, which may be wrong, but I hope
not. The soil gets dry so fast. The grass has patches of dead
and my hostas had so many yellow leaves that I just gave up and
let them go dormant. This weather is very unusual and I'm hoping
for a reprieve soon. I know I've lost many of the ones that I planted
a couple of months ago. The pictures I see posted here are so pretty.

As Scarlett said - 'Tomorrow is another day'. Hopefully a better one.

Louise

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twitcher
Aug 16, 2010 11:03 PM CST
Can you put them inside for a few days of air conditioned comfort (without the daily watering, of course)? They can survive reduced light intensity quite well as long as not wet. Just to get them past the worst of the heat. Sad Sorry you are having problems. It's been tough here as well due to the combination of torrential downpours keeping the plants too wet.

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twitcher
Aug 16, 2010 11:27 PM CST
Lynn and Chris - you sweet ladies are so nice to me. Rolling my eyes. I'm doing fine here, trying to keep up with all the garden stuff. With all the rain and heat, the weeds have been really growing fast. I'm starting to see a real problem with the triffids getting out of hand Thumbs down and so hard to keep in check, but fortunately there is a lot of bind weed as well, so there is a bit of balance. Whistling Fried triffid is not too bad, resembling asparagus in taste, but like asparagus, I can only eat in small amounts and grow tired of it quickly. The neighbors don't care much for it as well.

The neighbors next door have 5 kids, all under the age of 11. 4 girls and a boy. I've named the girls Meme1, Meme2, Meme3 and Meme4 (1.5yrs old) and the boy Dennis (the menace). (The parents agreed to the naming instantly!)

Of course, most days I get to bed at about 6 AM, just in time for the Meme's to get outside and start screaming....(true story!) Sad Sad . I'm hoping to get the kids interested in the triffids one of these days (or vice versa! Drooling )

Hilarious! Please! Hilarious!
Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Aug 17, 2010 5:36 AM CST
Boy, I hear ya about the weeds loving this weather! I absolutely have to get out and weed one of these days....but I've been saying that for weeks now. I have no idea what triffids are Confused

I'm so glad I live in a quiet neighborhood. The police are often at a house a few doors down from us (drugs), but the people are all quiet. We go to bed a 6 PM - our biggest concern is neighbors mowing the lawn. But it's amazing what I can sleep through. Whistling
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Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
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BlueFox
Aug 17, 2010 10:37 AM CST
... Hilarious! and here it's my roosters starting up their racket at 5:00 am! Good thing the neighbors aren't too close. I got rid of two of the noisiest yesterday, so it's remarkably quiet today!

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twitcher
Aug 17, 2010 1:00 PM CST
Chris,

Triffids are a non-native pest in the garden and are really invasive. They are worse than stinging nettle and spread faster than thistle. They are apparently a mutation of a minor weed that occurred sometime in the 1960's, but there are now a couple different forms as apparently the plant genetics are not too stable. I'd rather have to deal with Bermuda crabgrass than triffids. I hope you don't get them in your garden. Rolling my eyes.

A picture of a sprouting triffid seed can be found here: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://image03.webshots....

Here's a video introduction to triffids (not for dialup users), sorry the pictures aren't so great: Whistling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8B_NcamuKQ

nd further information about a more recent mutation of the plant (a more recent import from England):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN5qy__7208

In depth presentation is here, but takes about 11 minutes:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn97d_day-of-the-triffids_f...

Saltwater is said to be an effective control, if you can apply it in time. Blinking



Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages Forum moderator Garden Ideas: Master Level Plant Database Moderator
Seller of Garden Stuff I sent a postcard to Randy! Sempervivums Sedums Region: Wisconsin Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle
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goldfinch4
Aug 17, 2010 1:13 PM CST
Yikes - I wonder if that's what's been uprooting my semps! Confused
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Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
Aug 17, 2010 4:50 PM CST
I wonder if chickens will eat triffids?
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 17, 2010 6:13 PM CST
I'm on my way to the store to get more salt just in case. Now I don't feel so bad about the bind weed. I do believe I will stick with asparagus thank you.

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