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Nov 23, 2021 9:49 AM CST
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Name: Teresa Cole
Bayfield, Colorado S.W. Rockie (Zone 4b)
@ 8000 ft.
Region: Colorado Irises
A friends father registered an orchid in 1952 naming it after her. She would like for me to find it and paint it for her. This is the info I have:

Rhyncholaeliocattleya (RHS)
By John Wiant Furrow Jr.
Registered hybrid, Jan. 1, 1952
JANIS LEA
Parentage: J.K. Lily x Cattleya Trianae

Can anyone direct me to more info, and hopefully, a good photograph?
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Nov 23, 2021 11:18 AM CST
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Name: Ursula
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There are a couple of pics floating about, a pink one by Brian Monk and a very different cultivar 'Pamela'


@BigBill might be able to have pics on his trusty program.
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Nov 23, 2021 3:40 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
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Bill is in Tennessee for the night. Sorry. No computer. D'Oh!
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Nov 23, 2021 3:56 PM CST
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Name: Ursula
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Oops, I forgot for the moment! Enjoy your Thanksgiving, Bill!!
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Nov 23, 2021 4:32 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
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Will do.
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Nov 29, 2021 3:45 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
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The hybrid shows up in my copy of Orchid Wiz. Awards are posted without images.
The Wiz has a record of 4 published images from different orchid periodicals.

Please note these two awards, mentioned in the Wiz, are 75 years old! 75!!!!! I have no idea if this hybrid exists in a private collection somewhere but it is doubtful. Way too much time has passed.

When I checked the AOS Orchid Pro software, the cross does not appear as a registered grex and either award is not showing up in the program.

If there is an existing image credited to Brian Monk then you could inquire further with him Teresa.
Orchid lecturer, teacher and judge. Retired Wildlife Biologist. Supervisor of a nature preserve up until I retired.
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Nov 29, 2021 11:05 PM CST
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Name: Teresa Cole
Bayfield, Colorado S.W. Rockie (Zone 4b)
@ 8000 ft.
Region: Colorado Irises
Big Bill:
You are so kind for helping me to locate an image. Do I understand you correctly that the photo is by Brian Munk and he can be located, how?

Edited - Brian Monk
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Nov 30, 2021 5:52 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
If you need to relax, grow plants!!
Bee Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Orchids Region: Michigan Hostas Growing under artificial light
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He is the awards photographer out of the West Palm Beach Judging Center in the Miami Area. I believe that they judge out of the Flamingo Botanical Gardens.
He is also an American Orchid Society judge.

I WAS able to locate both awards just 15 minutes ago in my AOS judging awards program. Yes, I am up at 6 am., early riser. Plus I was driven to get you an answer.
I was able to locate both awards by their registration number. Both proved to be from a time when no measurements were taken as well as no photographs. The awards description for one awarded clone was "Three excellent flowers"!!!! Not another word. Needless to say that does not happen anymore. That was for 'Pamela' from 1957.
For Gloria, it's award correctly is an AM of 80 points from 1/1/1961!!! No image, no measurements and a limited description, "13 flowers on one ???, it should have said plant, inflorescence or something other then "1"!!! Sad
Color was described as 'mauve' with a darker purple lip that had a mauve colored picotee or edge. That's where it stops. No photographs were included.

The entries in the AOS award system did have this notation, "award was from a time prior to the AQ Plus system" which we have been using since sometime in the late 1960's I believe.
These older 4 images that I mentioned yesterday are in the old Orchid Bulletin, a magazine from the olden days!! Rolling on the floor laughing
In my 2 recent moves that finally landed me here in Michigan, I misplaced or managed to leave my old magazine collection behind. I think on Long Island back in 2009. But I can't remember if I had issues that far back.
But a visit to the Flamingo Garden site, they would have them but they are not accessible by the general public. You must be an Anerican Orchid Society member.

NOW I FEEL MUCH BETTER. That was a long winded, very wordy report on my part but I feel I have done my best to help you. I can rest easy now so to speak! Take care, it was my pleasure to have helped you!!! Lovey dubby I tip my hat to you.
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Nov 30, 2021 1:57 PM CST
Name: Alice
Flat Rock, NC (Zone 7a)
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I wonder if some of the older U.S. growers (prior to 1950) might have some records. Places like Hauserman's in Chicago https://www.orchidsbyhauserman...
or Carter and Holmes in South Carolina.
https://www.carterandholmes.co...

Bill may know of some other "oldies."
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Nov 30, 2021 2:24 PM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
If you need to relax, grow plants!!
Bee Lover Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Orchids Region: Michigan Hostas Growing under artificial light
Echinacea Critters Allowed Cat Lover Butterflies Birds Region: United States of America
Heck, I am an oldie too! Ha ha ha.

I doubt that you will find much of anything anywhere. I mean if we were talking about Cattleya Bob Betts, Cattleya Bow Bells, Lc. Bonanza, that's one thing. Those hybrids are primarily from the 50's to 60's like Janis Lea. But all of those three are famous in their own right as an award winner and as a parent and grandparent. Their pedigree is glorious and long.
Unfortunately these awards from the late 40's through the early 60's, have poor "paper trails" behind them so to speak. I know that the AOS is celebrating its Centennial, 100 years as an organization. I think that the 'Bulletin' followed by 'Orchids Magazine' got started in 1933 or maybe 1934. I have no idea of when the judging system was started.
But I can only speculate on record keeping at the time. Apparently it was poorer then I ever imagined.

I think reading somewhere that the years of 1955-60 is when people really got into judging orchids. Kind of like having Boom Years!!
I mean look at the history of published orchids in a magazine devoted to the awards themselves. I have seen small magazines/journals that were published quarterly back in the 30's. There would be a few dozen images and awards in each periodical back then. Now this is published monthly, with a couple hundred of awards per issue pre Covid-19.
Orchid lecturer, teacher and judge. Retired Wildlife Biologist. Supervisor of a nature preserve up until I retired.
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Nov 30, 2021 3:03 PM CST
Name: Alice
Flat Rock, NC (Zone 7a)
The beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains
Birds Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Region: North Carolina Hydrangeas Hummingbirder Dog Lover
Container Gardener Charter ATP Member Garden Photography Butterflies Tropicals Ponds
He sounds like he was an interesting man.
https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
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