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Jan 7, 2022 7:57 PM CST
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Hello everyone,

Does anyone have ANY information on Monstera Obliqua cf Pangui? I saw a couple of these potted up at Ecuagenera USA, but this is the only place I've ever seen or even heard of this species. I cannot find any information whatsoever on this species. Does it go by a different name? Any info would be appreciated


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Jan 7, 2022 9:33 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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I'm not familiar with the one referred to as Pangui and it's not listed in our database. I did a google search and found it at the Ecuagenera site and on an etsy page for $$$. Blinking

I had the cultivar Swiss Cheese Plant (Monstera obliqua 'Leichtlinii') years ago and I'd think that all M. obliqua would require the same care and culture. Swiss Cheese Vine (Monstera obliqua)
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Jan 8, 2022 8:01 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
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Michael, how long have you been buying from Ecuagenera? In order to understand how their naming system works, you have to understand a little about their company. Ii started buying from them in the early 1990's, and live less than 2 hours from the Apopka location and go pretty frequently. Their first endeavor in plants were in the 1950's with orchids. They didn't branch out to aroids and other plants until later.

In Ecuador, Ecuagenera has at least 5 separate and widely separated growing operations in different places. They have both low elevation and high elevation growing operations so that they produce a wide variety of plants suited to different growing conditions...the highland plants needing cooler temps overall, and the lowland and intermediate plants liking warmer conditions. They purchased these tracts of land for the purpose of convervation and to use them as a natural habitat to grow and raise plants.

From what I have learned over the years, the original provenance of many of the plants they have growing on their lands was just the jungle. Some of the plants were there when they bought their lands a long time ago. Some they brought in. Some of their original breeding stock is well known and identified, some is not.

'Pangui' is a town in Ecuador. I have asked the staff at Ecuagenera more than once about the plants that have these place names....there are a lot of them. I have been told that this usually designates the locale where the plant was originally collected. And some plants that have the tag (for ex Philodendron XXX 'Ecuagenera') is a plant that only they have that form of.
Many of these plants are undescribed species. When Dr. Thomas Croat visited Ecuagenera in 2019, he collected and brought back many undescribed species that are in the process of being described. Some already have been.

Ecuagenera many times does not KNOW the name of a plant spot on (and if its undescribed, well, it really has no species name). So they will add on tags like cf, aff, or place names like Pangui, Mosquera, or they will give them numbers (splendidum 1,2,3 etc). And to import them, each plant bundle has to be labeled with a name in order to go on the Phytosanitary certificates and get past customs and the USDA.

Ecuagenera has come under a lot of criticism from the new wave of collectors for these practices. But the truth is, until all of their undescribed species are described and given proper taxonomical names, this is the best alternative. The buyer has the ultimate choice to buy or not to buy. And many who have never visited the place, met the staff and talked to them, but just mail order, don't understand what goes into the names, and are more likely to say 'oh Ecuagenera is doing it again, making up names and sticking them on plants'. One example of this is their Anthurium besseae aff. It is called that because it does have some affinity to the species A. besseae. People accused them of trying to pass it off as true besseae. Which is not true. Sometimes, when plants get posted onto the website, the tags inadvertantly get left off.

That is the long answer. The short answer is, this is a monstera that may be a form of obliqua (cf='compare to') that originated in the area of Pangui.
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Jan 8, 2022 9:06 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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@Gina1960, Thank you so much for sharing this educational information! Thumbs up

I have seen Hoya plants labeled aff. (affinis), and learned from a grower years ago that it meant "similar to" when an exact species isn't known but I'd never seen the designation of cf and I misread it as cv, thinking Panguin was a cultivar. *Blush*
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Jan 8, 2022 9:11 AM CST
Name: Gina
Florida (Zone 9a)
Tropical plant collector 40 years
Aroids Region: Florida Tropicals
It takes a little research to keep up with some of this stuff. Another criticism I have heard people say about the Apopka location of Ecuagenera is that the people working there know nothing about the plants. That's isn;t true. Some of the nursery workers may NOT know a lot about the specific plants, and, there is a definite language barrier with some. They don;t speak English well, and so may not be able to communicate specifics, and many people here do not speak Spanish fluently enough to have an in depth convo about plant taxonomy.

The site manager for the Apopka grow operation speaks fluent English and is knowledgeable about the plants. Her name is Dayaneth. And, if Ivan Portilla, the owner, is ever onsite, as he sometimes is, he can answer any and every question you have. He is also very nice and will answer questions posed to him on Facebook messenger. I have him as a FB friend.
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