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Name: Gunny Mike Tomlinson
Yuma, AZ Elev. 100' +/- 5' (Zone 10a)
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Gunny
Apr 12, 2013 3:46 PM CST
Hi All,
I am new to gardening, but now that I am totally retired I can spend time doing something that I will enjoy doing and is still productive. I have spent most of my life in one kind of uniform or another, mostly military. I have grown a few things over the years mainly by accident. Now I want to grow food. I have some small elevated beds that have a few vegies in them and are doing okay as far as I can tell.
Here is a typical beginner question. How long do I let horse manure set out in the heat before using it in the garden? And does it help to break up the road apples? I have two spots where I keep the manure. One is a great big pile and the other is a piece of open ground where I spread it out to dry. Which would be best?
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quietyard
Apr 12, 2013 8:09 PM CST
Welcome! Gunny ! Sorry I cannot advise you on this issue but somewhere on ATP someone will have the answer. Smiling
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quietyard
Apr 12, 2013 8:17 PM CST
Gunny you might want to try the Edibles and Preserving Forum on ATP. I bet they can answer your question and give you lots of advise on growing vegetables ! Thumbs up
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sheryl
Apr 13, 2013 9:21 AM CST
Welcome, Gunny!

As a horse owner and gardener... Big Grin .... I put the manure directly into the soil. I am guessing that it is not a "hot" manure, like chicken or steer (at least steer seems to contain a lot of salts, which burns - I think horses mainly excrete salts in urine and sweat). As to the road apples - if you get it fresh or soak the dry manure, it's easier to break them up. Once it dries in that shape I usually just bury it down into the ground - it will break down at some point, especially if it is in an area that is being watered, like a garden. The burying I do is mostly for aesthetics and fly control, although flies will go for anything wet.

Hope this is helpful, hope to see you post a lot!
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Name: Gunny Mike Tomlinson
Yuma, AZ Elev. 100' +/- 5' (Zone 10a)
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Gunny
Apr 13, 2013 11:27 AM CST
Thanks for the help. Only trouble is the burying part. Can only sink a shovel half the distance of the blade into this clay, anything deeper requires a pick. When this clay is dry its harder than stone and when wet will take the boots off your feet. Seems to be no middle ground. Did I mention heavily compacted too. Guess I'll just have to layer it to get something going. Have all kinds of bad alfalfa hay I can sandwich the manure into then again will have to wait for breakdown to happen before making a seed bed. Oh well, just another experiment to workout.
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mcash70
Apr 13, 2013 1:16 PM CST
Welcome! Gunny.

Check out the All Things Gardening and maybe the Texas forums, Dave is a master gardener and hangs out there, along with a few others that may be able to help you. There is also the Farming forum, they may have a few good ideas for you too. nodding
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Aguane
Apr 14, 2013 9:43 PM CST
Try the "lasagna" method of breaking up the soil..... layers of cardboard and soil... repeat. Takes time but it does have a good result of breaking up the clay. Compost... oh, and get out the pick.
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Name: Gunny Mike Tomlinson
Yuma, AZ Elev. 100' +/- 5' (Zone 10a)
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Gunny
Apr 15, 2013 8:05 AM CST
Thanks for the help. Guess I'll see what Dave has to say if I can find him. I have had some little luck with three sister plantings plantings in old solarized tires as hills using compost on the bottom and wood chips on top. So far they're doing okay. I still have some time before the main planting season starts in Sep. Now to figure out how to do this.
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CDsSister
Apr 15, 2013 7:41 PM CST

You can find him by going to a place he has posted such as:

The thread "Starting to think about building a greenhouse here" in Greenhouses forum

And either ask him a question there or click on his name and send him a tree mail.

Or go to tree mail and choose send an email on the right hand side and then just type in Dave.

That should get his attention

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Boopaints
Apr 18, 2013 12:11 AM CST
Welcome! Gunny~ Dave will surely answer you!
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Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
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sheryl
Apr 18, 2013 4:15 PM CST
Oh yeah, definitely on the "lasagna method". If no one brings up that particular phrase, google it.

And, of course, raised beds might be your best bet.
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Name: Crista Abel
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Crista
Jul 24, 2013 10:12 AM CST
How's your garden going Gunny? I used to live in Yuma and we had a terrific garden down in the valley! I've since moved away and my folks moved out east of MCAS where it's all sand.....and terrible for gardening unless you have raised beds.
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Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
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sheryl
Jul 25, 2013 11:34 AM CST
Oh, Crista - I love your avatar.
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Name: Crista Abel
Gilbert, Arizona
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Crista
Aug 5, 2013 10:18 AM CST
Thanks Sheryl, that's my dog, Remus, and cat, Tommy. They love each other! Remus has gone blind over the past few years due to progressive retinal atrophy (like macular degeneration in humans) and Tommy has slowed his pace so that Remus can follow him.
Crista
Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Southwest Gardening Keeps Horses Dog Lover Cat Lover Permaculture
Butterflies Birds Cottage Gardener Herbs I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises
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sheryl
Aug 5, 2013 10:22 AM CST
That's great, they look like true buds. And it looks like Tommy has *very* clean ears, lol....
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Science is not the answer, it is the question.


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