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Jul 1, 2022 5:34 AM CST
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Hi, I know a little about flower anatomy and there are obviously many variations, but this one seems REALLY weird. We planted some bee balm (spotted, I think) and I noticed it looks like one flower stalk is growing out from a pistil or stamen of the flower below it (x2). Is it? If so, are there any other flowers with similar structure? If not, what is the correct way to describe this stacked arrangement?

If you can't answer this, I'd be grateful if you could recommend someone who can.

Thank you!

Mart C
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Jul 1, 2022 11:19 AM CST
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If you look at some Spotted Bee Balm photos, you will see what your plant is doing is what they do.
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Jul 1, 2022 11:46 AM CST
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Thanks for the quick response; but from your answer I can tell that I didn't word my question very well. I know that my plant looks like the pictures of other spotted bee balm plants. What I mean is that it seems this variety of bee balm (spotted) has anatomy totally different from any other plant species. Am I right? Are there any other plant species (or varieties) in which one flower grows out of another flower? And what is this arrangement called? Thanks again!
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Jul 1, 2022 12:48 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Yes. Not too uncommon, very cool structure.
A couple jump to mind, many Phlomis species

Cleveland sage
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Jul 1, 2022 1:09 PM CST
Name: Rj
Just S of the twin cities of M (Zone 4b)
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Welcome to the site! Like NMoasis said, not to uncommon

This group may be able to help you out on the structure, give them a call
https://www.umes.edu/SANS/Page...
As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Jul 1, 2022 1:12 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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That was an incomplete answer. I always have called them stacked whorls for lack of a better term but now, having looked it up, I know it is called a verticillaster inflorescence. As far as I know, this structure is limited to plants in the Lamiaceae family. Thanks for the providing the impetus to learn this Thumbs up

Edit to add, I meant my earlier answer was incomplete, not Rj's which appeared in between!
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Jul 1, 2022 1:16 PM CST
Name: Nancy
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I'm a bit envious now, my bee balms are just a single flower head on a single stem, I've never seen them flower like that before!
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Jul 1, 2022 1:24 PM CST
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southern Maryland
Thank you, NMoasis, crawgarden and Murky!!!!!
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Jul 1, 2022 1:27 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Murky said: I'm a bit envious now, my bee balms are just a single flower head on a single stem, I've never seen them flower like that before!


Nancy I think that trait is specific to Monarda punctata aka spotted beebalm or horsemint. The more common garden variety is Monarda didyma.
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Jul 1, 2022 1:41 PM CST
Name: Nancy
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Thanks for that... but I'm still envious! Hilarious! I do like the color of mine though, the hummers like it.
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Jul 1, 2022 3:11 PM CST
Name: Sally
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Spotted bee balm is cool, I know, but now know it's even cooler.
Plant it and they will come.
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Jul 1, 2022 3:30 PM CST
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southern Maryland
Here's another example of verticillaster, according to Encyclopedia Britannica: hedge nettle.
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Jul 1, 2022 3:43 PM CST
Name: Zoë
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Nice one!
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