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By valleylynn
January 1, 2010

A plant clinic for Sempervivum, Jovibarba and J. heuffelii. This is a companion article for the Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum.

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twitcher
Jan 23, 2011 7:48 PM CST
The following link was found on another site and points to an effort to list the proper names for all plant species. As such, it assigns some judgments about which names are proper and which names may not be the formal, correct names for plant species.

http://www.theplantlist.org./

Of interest to us here:

Jovibarba heuffelii is a synonym and is likely more properly called "Sempervivum heuffelii"

The "Jovibarba hirta" species, along with several other Jovibarba species, appear to be more properly named as subspecies of "Sempervivum globiferum" e.g. "Jovibarba hirta" is a synonym for "Sempervivum globiferum subsp. hirtum"; Jovibarba allionii is a synonym for "Sempervivum globiferum subsp. allionii" and there are many more.

It will be interesting to see how this effort is accepted by the scientific community and whether it helps hobbyists to get proper names on a lot of plants. Note that the list does not make an effort to sort out varietal names, which is likely an impossible task.

However, you can use this list to get an idea of just how many species of Sempervivum and related plants there are. Just count the accepted names on the list for a good idea.

Recommended for those who want to learn more.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 23, 2011 9:28 PM CST
twit, I don't see the link?

And I think my head is starting to spin just thinking about figuring out which ones I should change in the database. Sad

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twitcher
Jan 24, 2011 6:43 PM CST
Lynn, I edited the post to add the link.

I really do not think it necessary at this point in time for us to switch the names we are using. The "hobby" side of things is fully entrenched in using the Jovibarba names, so us changing everything here would just lead to confusion. Also these naming convention issues can be controversial among the biologists/botanist/nomenclature types.

HOWEVER, we should all be aware of this naming ambiguity. The world is a wide place and the Internet makes it wider still and we might run into "Sempervivum heuffelii", for example. Knowing that this is an alternate (and likely more proper name) for this species can be helpful and prevent confusion.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 24, 2011 7:33 PM CST
I am going to add this to the LINKS. That way I can find it easily. Very interesting site twit. Thank you for posting it.
This will definitely help alleviate some of the confusion in plant names.
Are you still covered in snow?
Name: Linda
M'boro, (Middle)TN (Zone 6b)
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LuvNature
Jan 28, 2011 12:34 AM CST
Thanks for the link Twit. I think I'll be visiting it quite often. I tip my hat to you.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jan 28, 2011 1:32 AM CST
He is always finding us interesting things. Lovey dubby
Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
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BlueFox
Jan 28, 2011 1:38 PM CST
Oh great, now I have to go into every Jovibarba page on my site and add the notation that these may be listed as Sempervivum. I thought they originally were listed as Sempervivum, and it got changed. Wish they would make up their minds...
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jan 28, 2011 2:37 PM CST
No, don't change them Jacki. At this point in the trade they are still being called Jovibarba. Lets take a wait and see attitude. Whistling

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twitcher
Jan 28, 2011 5:48 PM CST
Maybe just a note somewhere that Jovibarba is considered a synonym for Sempervivum (in the nomenclature sense)
Name: BlueFox
Grand Forks, B.C. Cdn. Zone 5A (Zone 4a)
Romantic & Rustic, Xeric & Organic
Charter ATP Member Sedums Sempervivums Region: Canadian Garden Art Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Cactus and Succulents Butterflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Xeriscape Garden Ideas: Level 1
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BlueFox
Feb 1, 2011 2:42 PM CST
Yes, I'll do that - so confusing, even to me. I can't imagine how it must be to have no clue about names, and then be bombarded with someone spouting off Latin at them Rolling on the floor laughing Guilty!

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twitcher
Feb 1, 2011 9:50 PM CST
Rast ich, rost ich! (or is that another language? Big Grin )
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Feb 1, 2011 9:58 PM CST
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