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Dec 28, 2022 9:40 AM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Looking at those TPs you are always wondering if you gave them enough space to grow. Some of them are like 10 -12 ft wide.
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Dec 28, 2022 10:13 AM CST
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Wow, Alex I tip my hat to you. Your pictures are amazing Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

What is the climate like in Moscow that they can have so much success with tree peonies? I thought Moscow is too far north for tree peonies Confused
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Dec 28, 2022 12:45 PM CST
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Those tree peonies are amazing! Do you think they were individual plants or multiples planted close together? I've never seen any that spread that much! Gorgeous!
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Dec 28, 2022 1:53 PM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Moscow is colder than Toronto, but they are protecting TPs in winter. I guess that's why they are so huge. Some winter die back occurs occasionally. Those are separate plants, but some are not too far - comparatively speaking, of course - 6-8 ft apart. You can see the difference in flower colors to understand where one ends. I guess in 20 years time we all have somewhat similar-sized TPs. I am, however, not expecting my Japanese TPs to reach those sizes. To me the biggest ones look more like Rockii-influenced varieties.
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Dec 29, 2022 3:33 PM CST
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Alex, it will be interesting to find out how they protect the tree peonies in Moscow. I am assuming that Moscow's winters are harsher than ours in zone 5. Could Moscow be considered zone 4, or even 3?
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Dec 29, 2022 10:03 PM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Jasmin, I did not go into details, but Marianna Uspenskaya who is curator of TP program in MSU published a book and there are pictures of protected peonies. My understanding there is a frame - some kind of wooden sticks or something similar to keep the shape and material around it. The protective layer could be conifer branches or more advanced breathable plastic like Lutrasil Pro Landscape Fabric. Let me see if I can find any pics online. I am sure with a warming climate it would be quite ok to grow those around Moscow. I think the biggest problem is moisture control in winter and spring freeze/unfreeze temperature fluctuations.
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Dec 30, 2022 11:43 AM CST
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Alex, I could not find the book on the Internet, but I found this long article (see the link). Perhaps these pages are from Uspenskaya's book. I translated the text through Google Translate.

https://coollib.com/b/277368-m...

There are some exciting propagation methods described, especially the old Chinese methods. Interesting! Thank you for sharing Smiling
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Dec 30, 2022 3:24 PM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Yep, that is one of her books. I also noticed some new propagation methods there. You can actually see the protection pics there almost at the end.
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Dec 30, 2022 3:37 PM CST
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Yes, I noticed the protection pics. It is how we protect sensitive hydrangea here. It might work. That also means that our friends from zone 4 may have TPs that reliably bloom and don't freeze to the ground every year. Not sure about zone 3 though. It might be too cold even with this method of protection Confused

Interesting book. Again, thanks for sharing. It is even more interesting that Dr. Uspenskaya researches the medical properties of peonies:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.o...
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Dec 30, 2022 4:29 PM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
I know people who grow Rockii varieties in Muskoka, which is colder than Toronto for sure. They mention that snow cover is very important for them. Looking outside and all the snow is gone?
By the way, protecting hydrangea in winter with conifer branches never worked for me in the past.
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Jan 31, 2023 11:14 AM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Sevilla and gardens of Real Alcazar in March 2022

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Jan 31, 2023 3:33 PM CST
Name: Anya
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Very nice, Alex! Thanks for sharing!
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Jan 31, 2023 6:33 PM CST
Name: Bea
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anyagoro said: Very nice, Alex! Thanks for sharing!


I agree It also looks like you had a great time. I tip my hat to you.
I’m so busy... “I don’t know if I found a rope or lost a horse.”
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Jan 31, 2023 8:53 PM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Seville in March is outstanding! Love it! Probably April and beginning of May are also good or even better, but the smell of citrus trees everywhere and wonderful warm weather in March made my stay unforgettable. Originally I wanted to have a trip to Cordoba, but thought why ? looking for perfection ? it is so great here... I have a few gardens left...
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Jan 31, 2023 9:40 PM CST
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Those gardens are magnificent Alex!! I hope you got to spend a lot of time in them. Thanks for sharing.
LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
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Feb 1, 2023 2:10 PM CST
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Magnificent gardens, Alex Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! What are the trees with red flowers in the first photo? Thank you for sharing Smiling
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Feb 1, 2023 4:12 PM CST
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
I think it is bougainvillea, but I could be wrong. There will be other pics with it blooming in Seville.
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Feb 1, 2023 4:29 PM CST
Name: Bea
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Maybe Crepe Myrtle in March forming trees..?
I’m so busy... “I don’t know if I found a rope or lost a horse.”
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Feb 1, 2023 4:57 PM CST
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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I thought it might be Bougainvillea trained on some sort of pillars, but it could be Crepe Myrtle. I am not sure if I have ever seen a Crepe Myrtle tree in person. Cannot wait to see other pics Smiling
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Feb 1, 2023 6:58 PM CST
Name: Gary Ray
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Looks like a Bouganvillea Tree.

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