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Apr 3, 2010 3:01 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
rhizomes

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Apr 3, 2010 3:03 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
almost no roots and just tubes that keep it going..

Syneilesis palmata

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Apr 3, 2010 3:09 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
Okkk Are these bulbs Neal?

Trilliums?

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Apr 3, 2010 3:27 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Not sure if the Trilliums are tubers or rhizomes, but I'm sure they're not technically bulbs. Is the first pic the thing I sent you a few years ago? Don't you love Va.Bluebells! I thought I'd lost mine, but I'm finding sprouts here and there- they've seeded themselves too!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 3, 2010 3:47 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
I sure hope it is! I searched high and low for that plant. I looked for it last year and couldn't find it. A few weeks ago I found the clump and wasn't sure it was what I was looking for. I planted it at my fathers house about 5 years ago under a shaded bay window. I have more room now so I wanted all my plants back...LOL. But low and behold I think it's Blue Cohosh. I sure hope so..the plant intrigues me why I guess I'll never know.
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Apr 3, 2010 3:52 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
You don't want to know how I got those bluebells...LOL. Some years back I stopped along side a road and yanked them. They had naturalized along a whole hillside. The sight was unreal. They've been around ever since. So I dug a few from my old garden to put over at the new house. So they're growing in containers until I put them back in the ground.
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Apr 3, 2010 5:44 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Yep, I'm sure now that's it. Its too weird looking to be anything else. I bet all those bluebells were amazing!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 3, 2010 6:23 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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It was truly amazing! Now having Full Sun my gardening will have to change a bit. I wont be able to collect as many shade plants as I had living by woods. It's fun though..Now I will grow plants I never did. My shady spot is very limited Sad I've been collecting a lot of bulbs and even done the unthinkable to some plants. I ripped a oriental poppy in half and the pieces seem to be living for now. And I was told they do not like to be bothered. I think this is the one I am suppose to be sending you. It needs some love before I can be sure it's ok.
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Apr 4, 2010 7:16 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Isn't Oriental poppy one of those you're supposed to be able to cut the tap root into pieces to start new plants?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 4, 2010 8:19 AM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
I have no idea. But plants are remarkable and I've seen a lot of things over last couple years...LOL. So I have a new motto now "Try Anything"
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Apr 5, 2010 9:19 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Just did a bit of searching, and found, yes, root cuttings is a method of propagating Oriental Poppies. It says to cut 2" pieces of the root, and either lay them horizontally or upright in sand or well drained medium.

http://web1.msue.msu.edu/imp/m...
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 5, 2010 4:29 PM CST
Name: Kim
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member Seller of Garden Stuff Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader
Wow! learn something new everyday

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Apr 6, 2010 8:54 PM CST

To tell you the truth I do not know what Eremurus are, they are not bulbs but act like it. They would do well in that rich bottom sand! They really want good drainage and although we have sandy loam, if it isn't raised so they sit in standing water during our typical winter and spring weather and it does rot the roots, they will return from the crown and survive if rescued in time. Some have been moved to better drainage, flood deposits of gravel mixed with sand - on a mound, some are in raised beds and do very well. They dry up in summer here, we get virtually no summer rain, and form a dry crown with dry roots which keeps dry until spring, but we don't get blooms if spring planted here, we tend to have some heat waves in late spring and spring planted lilies do not do well here either. We cannot drag a hose out all over 40 acres to water late planted stuff and can no longer mulch. In a garden setting they may do better. Here is a picture of one of my Eremurus crowns, truly a strange looking creature. They won't look quite like this from other places, they are usually missing most of the roots.

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Apr 7, 2010 5:24 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
They are the most bizarre looking things aren't they! The first time I received some with roots like that I thought they looked like these flying alien brain suckers from an old B sci fi movie I saw as a kid, LOL. I believe they are classified as a tuber. I purchased some from a Dutch source once and as you mentioned, all the roots were cut off, and not one survived or sprouted. I think that has something to do with frequent reports of failures with Dutch plants I've heard of. They behave the same way here, even if we do have a rainy summer, they dry up and go dormant after bloom.

Lisa, last year I had asked your advice about moving one in spring. I was careful and didn't damage it much when I dug it, and moved it directly to its new spot. It bloomed, but was a little stunted and seems to be fine. Which brings me to another question for you, how often do they need to be divided? I have some Spring Valley Hybrids that are doing really well; I've had them 4 or 5 years now. Some have 5 or more crowns emerging, and I'm wondering if crowding diminishes them? Thinking they may need some attention after blooming this year.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 7, 2010 5:35 AM CST
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Region: United States of America Irises Lilies
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I always though Eremurus was classified as an herbaceous perennial?

What a funky looking thing!
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Apr 7, 2010 5:46 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
Polly, they're typically handled by bulb suppliers, and kind of behave like a lot of bulb plants in the way they go dormant, storing food for next season's growth. Imported ones with the roots removed appear very bulb like, although I think that practice is detrimental to the plant. The roots are so fat and fleshy, I would think there's energy stored there as well as the central tuber- I wonder if that has to do with the issues removing them? Mamajack was asking on another Cubit if they're ever offered as a potted plant, which is something I've never seen.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 7, 2010 9:58 AM CST
Name: Susan B
East Tennessee (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member
I think Eremurus are classified as a bulb rather than a perennial, I can't remember what they call the bulb but I think it has a special name.
Perhaps just a rhizomatus plant?

Mine are sprouting pretty well, I'll have to take some photos. I'm excited about my new colors and hope they look nice. Buggy, nice to see you here, do you sell Eremurus? Shipping in the fall?
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Apr 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
I'm finding conflicting info on what kind of root system Eremurus have, Wikipedia says thick roots growing from a central hub, and bonany.com calls them rhizomatous roots resembling a starfish. I know they're technically not a rhizome, so I guess they're just a funky one that kinda defies specific definition. Both sites describe them as deciduous perennials, which I suppose would describe most bulb(ish) plants.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Apr 7, 2010 1:28 PM CST
Name: Susan B
East Tennessee (Zone 6b)
Charter ATP Member
It doesn't make any difference to me what they're called, I think they're pretty!
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Apr 7, 2010 2:58 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
Bulbs Charter ATP Member Cottage Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Roses
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 2
They are amazing aren't they! Some of mine reached 7' last year, and we get lots of wind- those stems are strong!

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"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi

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