Brugmansias forum: Insecticide and Soap.

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Name: Rhapsody Hooks
Long Beach Ca USA (Zone 10a)
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Rhapsody616
May 27, 2013 11:50 PM CST
Will a soap mixer wash off the residue of a Insecticide? It says it will not was off in the rain... but it says nothing about soap.
Thanks
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Name: JT Sessions
Milton,Fl.
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gone2seed
May 28, 2013 10:43 AM CST

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Soap would probably wash it off.
Name: Rhapsody Hooks
Long Beach Ca USA (Zone 10a)
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Rhapsody616
May 29, 2013 1:50 AM CST
OK. Thanks JT. I knew if anyone would know it would be you!!
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Name: Elaine
South Sarasota, Florida (Zone 9b)
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dyzzypyxxy
May 29, 2013 11:16 AM CST
Rhapsody, I did some reading on the Bifen XTS and also shopped around a bit. Amazon has it for $32.50 but then there's shipping.

Since it is oil-based, the soap probably would wash it off, all right.

It sounds like great stuff, but I'm going to reserve judgement until I can ask my neighbor about it. He's a State pesticide inspector. What grabbed my attention the most were the warnings, and the statement on the label that it was only to be used by licensed pesticide professionals. Shrug! Will report back if I hear anything more interesting.
Elaine

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Name: Rhapsody Hooks
Long Beach Ca USA (Zone 10a)
Cat Lover Winter Sowing Moon Gardener Plumerias Tropicals Roses
Bee Lover Butterflies Region: California Cottage Gardener Herbs Composter
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Rhapsody616
May 29, 2013 4:48 PM CST
I understand your concern. I just used it as directed. You can get the weaker version of it. Bifen IT, Bifenthrin 7.9% Insecticide. Cost just as much and you would use 3 times as much per application. So I just asked how to use it and went to work. Please let me know what your neighbor says. If there is a expert in the house I am all over it. I have had really goo luck with it so far.

I think I am going to have one of my sons jump on the roof and spray that too. It would be just my luck if they lived under the panels and after all that work they showed back up. Thumbs down
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Name: Elaine
South Sarasota, Florida (Zone 9b)
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dyzzypyxxy
Jun 2, 2013 5:36 PM CST
So I finally cornered my neighbor, and quizzed him about BifenXTS and other remedies for our mites. He had a lot to say, including advising me strongly not to use the Bifen XTS, saying 'you really need to wear full protective gear, and use a mask or even a respirator/filter mask to use that stuff'. He points out that the label has the maximum "Caution" on it. It certainly would work, but he didn't think it was worth the risk.

I showed him the other systemic remedy I used last year, Bayer 3-in-1 with Imidiclopir as its active ingredient. On that one he said 'I don't like the systemics so much because they breed resistance into the bugs. They're in the plant for up to a year, and as the bugs continue to feed on the stuff, if one generation survives the systemic chemical, you've got a whole new breed of mite that is now resistant.'

What he likes? Mechanical means - i.e. soapy water and horticultural oils. The bugs and mites never get resistant to them. He advised me to try the systemic again, since I already have it, but use the soap/oil regimen as well.

This guy has a Masters in Hort from U. of Florida, and worked for 8 years as a County Extension agent here. He was the head instructor when I took my Master Gardener course, and has been teaching as well as enforcing pest control for the State for the last 4 years, too.
Elaine

"Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm." –Winston Churchill
Name: Rhapsody Hooks
Long Beach Ca USA (Zone 10a)
Cat Lover Winter Sowing Moon Gardener Plumerias Tropicals Roses
Bee Lover Butterflies Region: California Cottage Gardener Herbs Composter
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Rhapsody616
Jun 2, 2013 8:21 PM CST
Elaine~ Well he most certainly would be the expert. I was advised to "suit up" before using it. I did that. I was told it was powerful stuff... and it was/ is. No mites of any kind any where!! I guess I have enough for a long time at this point. It wooks 6 weeks so I am happy I don't have to do it again for a bit. Next round will be soapy water. Wish I could find something like it for slugs!! Yuck! For now it is pluck and stomp.

I thank you for asking your neighbor. Their insight is invaluable.

Rhapsody Thumbs up
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