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Jun 13, 2013 1:54 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Tri Cities, WA (Zone 6b)
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Not much luck with crosses this year. I will hold on to the few which worked & send bee pods to the Median Iris society which is collecting seeds.
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Jun 17, 2013 9:02 PM CST
Name: Randi Wilcoxen
Interlochen, Michigan (Zone 5b)
I am absolutely in awe over your seedlings! WOW! You may not think they are keepers but they sure are beautiful in my eyes! LOVE them!!! Great work!
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Jun 17, 2013 9:08 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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The blues and whites do seem to be related, but I get white seedlings from all sorts of crosses. For example, these two came from blue(ish) parents:

10T-03b
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11T-20q
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But, these came from Twilight of the Gods (an orange iris):

11T-25b
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10T-05a
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The 11T-25 cross was kind of interesting, it also produced:

11T-25e
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11T-25f
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Another white seedling came from Magical X Wintry Sky.

11T-14a
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This wasn't at all what I was hoping for from this cross, but I'm sure I'll keep it, maybe as much out of stubbornness as anything. Hilarious! I've crossed Wintry Sky and Magical at least a half dozen times, and gotten just two pods that produced less than ten seeds between them, only one of which germinated. It's kind of a dull color, but it does have really nice form and substance. It's fertile, too, so it may prove useful. Will probably keep 10T-05a, at least for a while, just because it was my daughter's favorite.
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Jun 17, 2013 9:17 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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Thanks, Randi. I do like almost all of them, even the ones that end up serving as mulch. Hilarious! They just need to have something more than "likability" to survive.
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Jun 18, 2013 3:44 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I like that Yellow one, nice form. Sounds like the color genetics is pretty complicated for irises. That should make for lots of interesting events.
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Jun 18, 2013 7:23 AM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
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Yah -- my vote is for the yellow one, too. The form is wonderful, but I love the color of it too. And I like that it doesn't have a lot of distractions going on -- just a beautiful soft but rich color. Lovey dubby
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Jun 18, 2013 2:20 PM CST
Name: Brett Barney
(Zone 5b)
Irises Region: Nebraska
Kent,

Very nice! Well, since others have voted, I'll speak up in favor of 11T-03e and 10T-05a. I just love the blue-and-mustardy-brown beards on the first one, and the form and the warm yellow flush in the center of the second strike me as really beautiful. I can imagine a really stunning clump of that.

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Jun 19, 2013 8:53 AM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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Well, the yellow one has a couple of crosses on it so it will stick around, at least for awhile. Truth be told, anything that hasn't already been tossed will probably make it to next year. 10T-05a is a pretty iris, but it looks a LOT like its other parent, Peace Prayer.



I think the seedling has better form and substance, but its branching may not be as good so it's a bit of a wash. Then again, many named iris had horrendous branching this spring, likely because of the repeated bouts of sub-freezing weather we had in April and even into early May (it even snowed a little on May 1!). So, I tried not to judge the seedlings too harshly on that aspect this year.
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Jun 19, 2013 2:22 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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Two years ago, I made two crosses involving Dinner Talk. Wish I had done more. The first six seedlings to bloom were:

11T-06a
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11T-06d
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11T-09a
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11T-09c
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11T-09d
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11T-09g
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I thought 'wow, you can't bloom an ugly iris out of Dinner Talk' Then these two bloomed:

11T-09e
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11T-06f
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Oops, you can get an ugly seedling out of Dinner Talk.There were also some seedlings that weren't ugly, but weren't special either. Still though, that's a pretty good ratio. Dinner Talk bloomed for me this year (didn't last year) and got used a LOT! It seems to be a pretty nice parent. All of the Dinner Talk seedlings had really nice branching and bud count as well.
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Jun 19, 2013 2:48 PM CST
Name: Paul
Utah (Zone 5b)
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Kent. those are some very pretty seedlings. You used an important word....special...Something a little different. Pretty isn't good enough to make a splash in the iris world. I've bloomed several that I thought were as nice as anything in my garden but they weren't special. I really like 11T 09-4
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Jun 19, 2013 6:51 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Tri Cities, WA (Zone 6b)
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Nice flowers on the seedlings & I do like the first one posted.
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Jun 19, 2013 7:23 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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I am not much for white flowers, but I really liked 10T-05a, and I prefer it to the parent. Smiling

11T-06a is a stand out for me, as well. Thumbs up
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Jun 19, 2013 8:18 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
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Several real beauties there, Kent. My hat's really off to you guys who devote so much time and energy trying to make ever better Irises. I tip my hat to you.
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Jun 19, 2013 10:20 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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Thanks everyone, 06a was pretty exciting when it was in bud. I could tell the standards were going to be white and the falls looked like they might be close to black. The falls are dark, but they aren't black. I do like the starbursts around the beards. Crossed it to 'Noble Gesture' hoping that at least one of its children will retain the white standards while having even darker falls. A starburst on the falls would be nice, too. Hilarious!

09d and 06d were probably my favorites, but we'll see what they all look like next year. 09g was the best from a technical standpoint. The bloomstalk was 38 inches tall with four branches plus the terminal and 12 buds. That's pretty good in this part of the world. It also stood up to some pretty brutal wind storms (the wind tore a first year clump of 'Blueberry Parfait' right out of the ground, I've never seen that before Blinking ) with no problem and bloomed from about the middle of the TB season all the way to the end. Not the most exciting color, but the texture veining jazzes it up a bit.
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Jun 21, 2013 9:34 AM CST
Name: Brett Barney
(Zone 5b)
Irises Region: Nebraska
OK, I'll bite. Would you mind saying what it is about the last two seedlings that you think makes them "ugly," Kent? I know I have a skewed view of beauty, so I'd just like to try to understand a little bit better what other people see.
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Jun 21, 2013 2:16 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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Sure, Brett

For starters, the form on 06f leaves a lot to be desired. The standards are a bit loose. Open standards are not necessarily a bad thing, but if an iris is going to have open standards they need to be ramrod stiff and the style arms ought to provide something interesting to look at. The style arms in this iris were just plain white. While the flower is ruffled to a degree, it lacks the type of deep ruffling I look for. Proportionally, the falls are a little too short. It almost looks like someone trimmed the edges and stole my ruffles in the process (what a dastardly deed! Hilarious! ) The orange beard is a problem. Orange beards can provide a lot of visual appeal to blue(ish) irises. But, in this case, shades of blue and orange didn't go well together and it ended up having a jarring effect. It was actually hard for me to look at for very long in the garden. I usually just took a quick picture and moved on. That's not a good sign because I'm capable of sitting and staring at irises for loooong periods of time. The patterning on the falls is interesting, but there needs to be more contrast between the colors (or less, the texture veining on several of the other seedlings is more subtle, but also more pleasing to the eye).

You never know, though, maiden blooms don't always provide the full picture of what an iris is going to be. Maybe next year's bloom will knock my socks off. If not, it's toast.

09e is a little harder to describe. The falls are a bit out of proportion again although it's not nearly as noticeable as in 09f. The ruffling is not bad, but nothing special either. The big problem with 09e is its color. I don't know if it comes through in the pictures or not, the falls of 09e are similar to those of 09a, but they lack its depth of color. They're just kind of dull. The standards of 09e are a warm creamy pale pink, very similar to those of 09c. That color works on 09c because its falls are a warm shade of red-violet. It doesn't work on 09e. To put it the way my wife would describe it, 09a is a "cool" and 09c is a "warm". 09e is a sort of a combination of the two but ends up being a somewhat muddy combination.

Here is another picture of 09c that might help illustrate the point. The flower was a little beaten up from the weather but this picture shows its color really well.

11T-09c
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Those creamy pink standards contrast really nicely with the color of the falls. Not so much with 09e's falls.

All of the Dinner Talk children are still in the seedling beds. I just didn't have the heart to throw them away, even the ugly ones. They'll have to be winnowed down some next year, though.
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Jun 21, 2013 3:34 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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Even though Brett is the one who asked, I wanted to thank you for the explanation of selection criteria. Helped me understand a lot more.
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Jun 21, 2013 4:34 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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Keep in mind I'm just an amateur and have only been hybridizing for a few years, so take everything I say with a grain of salt! Hilarious!
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Jun 21, 2013 4:43 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
For an amateur, sir, you have amazing skills. I'll take your words with a grain, but I think I only need that one. I tip my hat to you.
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Jun 21, 2013 9:37 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
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Yup -- ditto to what Debra said. I didn't pick up those subtleties myself -- but could see them clearly when you pointed them out, Kent. Thanks for taking the time to do that.
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