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Jun 14, 2023 12:10 PM CST
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Name: Elena
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Looks like I got it from newly planted roses from Palatine. Confused Took me some time to realized it. Never had it before. Brownish spots are started form the top, canes are also discolored in some roses. Investigated other sides of the leaves, did not find any spores, just reddish color.
I have about 10 roses affected now. Do we have a proven mild fungicide to deal with this disease?
Planning to use Previcur Energy as first attempt I brought from oversees. Have a small bottle, not sure that can buy it here for reasonable price.

Should I inform Palatine?

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Jun 14, 2023 1:27 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 7a)
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I was hit pretty hard by downy mildew this year, very early in fact, and was so surprised because I rarely ever get it. The last time I got it was late in the year during an unusually warm and moist fall about 15 years ago. But it affected the rhododendron leaves, not the roses, which were already going dormant and losing their leaves to the cold. I used Aliette to combat it then.

My garden was full of it this year by the time May rolled around, before I realized what was happening. It's easy to mistake for blackspot at first, until you look carefully. At first I thought I must have missed spraying a few bushes with my usual fungicides, so I resprayed, but it continued to spread rapidly. So I looked more carefully at the leaves and realized the spots weren't black and feathery, but rather purplish or dark brown and splotchy. And as noted above, the spots often start at the top of the bush and move their way down, instead of the reverse as with blackspot. Downy mildew is known for spreading very fast, and can lead to rapid defoliation, even on leaves that aren't yet discolored. I noticed all of this happening in my garden a few weeks ago and took quick action.

Importantly, many fungicides that are used to control blackspot and powdery mildew do not control downy mildew, which is more closely related to algae. This explains why my normal spray program didn't prevent it. I remembered I had used Aliette many years ago so I read up on it and it's still considered an excellent fungicide for downy mildew. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any small bottles of it like I had years ago; instead, it comes in a big 5 pound bag of soluable powder. It's expensive, but I shopped around and found the best price (there is a nearly 100% price difference between sellers). However, I also read what I already knew about other fungicides, which is that it's important to rotate between products to avoid resistance. So I also purchased a bottle of Heritage, which is recommended for downey mildew and other fungi.

I have about 125 roses, and they need to be sprayed every few days for a few weeks to get rid of the downy mildew, so I'll make good use of these products. But it's still an expensive treatment.
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Jun 14, 2023 1:48 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 7a)
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I should add that I didn't buy any roses from Palatine this year, and I first noticed the mildew on roses that were planted in previous years.
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Jun 14, 2023 2:19 PM CST
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Mike, thank you so much for sharing... Feel sorry for both of us. I was also doing everything right this year Smiling , starting from Mancozeb early spring, than OxiDate 2.0 and Actinovate SP...I do not have black spots so far, but missed badly downy mildew. Angry

I have 30ml Previcur Energy and 60 ml Ridomil Gold bottles: https://www.syngenta-us.com/fu..., will start from those two and report the result here.
Ebay has small bottles of Previcur Energy.
PS. According to the description of this fungus, one of the reason when it's happened is the temperature changes very fast.
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Jun 14, 2023 2:42 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 7a)
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Be sure to spray the underside of the leaves, where the spores are located.
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Jun 14, 2023 3:56 PM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
I'm so sorry to hear your roses have mildew. Please, keep us updated on how your sprays do for them!
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Jun 14, 2023 4:23 PM CST
Name: Mike Stewart
Lower Hudson Valley, New York (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Photo Contest Winner 2020 Garden Photography Roses Bulbs Peonies
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Thanks. Powdery mildew is so easy to deal with, but not downy mildew. It has a reputation for being difficult to get rid of, but at least it's no longer spreading, now that I have the fungicide designed for it.
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Jun 14, 2023 4:48 PM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Mike said: Thanks. Powdery mildew is so easy to deal with, but not downy mildew. It has a reputation for being difficult to get rid of, but at least it's no longer spreading, now that I have the fungicide designed for it.


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Jun 14, 2023 7:31 PM CST
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Mike said: Be sure to spray the underside of the leaves, where the spores are located.

Technically Previcur Energy is a system fungicide, but I applied from the bottom as well. It says that it's give a protection for 7-14 days.
It's interesting how different roses are resistant to downy mildew.
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Jun 15, 2023 5:55 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Northeast Ohio (Zone 6a)
Doesn't Bonide Copper fungicide get rid of it, too? I'm asking because I have a bottle of this.
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Jun 15, 2023 9:14 AM CST
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Patricia, I am very careful with Copper fungicide even if it says "Approved for Organic Gardening" Whistling . I have veggie garden next to roses.
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Jun 15, 2023 10:19 AM CST
Name: Patricia
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Elena999 said: Patricia, I am very careful with Copper fungicide even if it says "Approved for Organic Gardening" Whistling . I have veggie garden next to roses.


I thought that was safe to use around everything planted. What is the problem with it, Elena?
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Jun 15, 2023 11:53 AM CST
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I just do not want to use it in my garden when I have a lot of veggies ripen.
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Jun 15, 2023 1:00 PM CST
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Mike said: So I also purchased a bottle of Heritage, which is recommended for downey mildew and other fungi.

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Jun 15, 2023 1:16 PM CST
Name: Patricia
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Elena999 said: I just do not want to use it in my garden when I have a lot of veggies ripen.


I see. I've used it sparingly ( twice during summer ) for years on my tomato plants foliage and considered it very safe.
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Jul 8, 2023 6:24 PM CST
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Elena999 said: I have 30ml Previcur Energy and 60 ml Ridomil Gold bottles: https://www.syngenta-us.com/fu..., will start from those two and report the result here.

One application of Previcur energy and one application after that of biological fungicide contains Bacillus subtilis (brought from overseas for tomatoes) solved the downy mildew problem for now.
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Jul 8, 2023 6:25 PM CST
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