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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Cottage_Rose
May 30, 2013 10:47 PM CST
Looking to get some large varieties winter hardy in Zone 5.
Names please and where to purchase them.
Thanks for any help! Smiling
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twitcher
May 30, 2013 11:10 PM CST
S Aare, S Crimsonette, S Pacific Country Cousins, S. Rubra Ash, S. Emerald Evergreen, S Commander Haye all can get to 8". Sources are easy for most of them, Aare is from Edelweiss. I think SMg has most of them. Growing conditions can have a big effect on size. If you want large ones, transplant a young rosette to a private spot. Semps appear to communicate with each other when growing in a clump to keep the sizes down.

J. heuffelii Fandango is the largest heuffelii I've run into. Easily 8" or better (that planter is 8" wide shortest dimension)

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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 30, 2013 11:18 PM CST
I have a 'Silver King' and 'Henry's Black' both are larger than 7inches across!! Hurray!
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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Cottage_Rose
May 30, 2013 11:18 PM CST
COOL! Thanks! Thumbs up
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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Cottage_Rose
May 30, 2013 11:19 PM CST
Do you sell them Greg?
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
May 30, 2013 11:22 PM CST
No but I'm thinking of starting...kidding, I'm recently "obsessed" Rolling on the floor laughing And so like most new converts I am very "passionate" and just in a year have collected 155 (and I just placed another order for 4 more) Lovey dubby I've filled my "veggie" beds, except for a small spot for lettuce, which I may have to transplant into some other spot, to make room for a couple more semps! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing (Oh, and the worst part, I rent in an apartment, so not even my property) Thumbs down Whistling
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Name: Julia
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springcolor
May 30, 2013 11:46 PM CST
Green Grin! More semps Greg!!
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 4, 2013 3:29 PM CST

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S. 'Red Lion', S. 'Oley', S. 'Red Rum', S. 'Purdy's Big Red', heuffelii 'Apache', heuffelii 'Elmo's Fire', are some other large ones.
I'll have to look out in the beds to see what others are at least 8" or more across. There are a number of them.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 4, 2013 6:10 PM CST
My 'Silver King' is also large, about 7inches and growing! But I don't know how easy it would be to find this type. There is another 'Silver king' which isn't smooth and large like this one.
Here is yesterday's photo (with too much sun, but you get an idea. (I was taking the photo to see if its coning, which hooray, it isn't!)
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this photo shows more clearly that there is no coning, yet anyway! And there are chicks beginning! The white speckley stuff about mid way up the plant at the base of the leaf, is offsets coming in!! Hurray!
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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Cottage_Rose
Jun 4, 2013 6:44 PM CST
Wow cool Greg! Thumbs up

Do they get that big in Z5?
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 4, 2013 6:50 PM CST
I think so?? Don't know though? Chris?? (Vicky, Chris is in WI, and is either Z5 or 4?) The one thing these gals of mine seem to like is chicken grit! Lynn kept writing about it, and I was hesitant, and then finally tried it, and I just keep going back for more! I'm using it for all my succulents and the seem to respond to it well! I use the smallest kind (so its actually called "Chick grit" or #1)
My semps went from looking mediocre to "glowing"! within a week or so after top dressing with this stuff!! Amazing Thumbs up
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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Cottage_Rose
Jun 4, 2013 6:58 PM CST
Should I use cactus soil too? Right now they're in Miracle Grow Potting Soil.
How much grit do you add to the soil?
I actually have chick grit.
I raise geese
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jun 4, 2013 7:11 PM CST
How cute are they!!!
Your soil is fine! If you feel like mixing some chick grit in you can, I usually use 1/5 to 1/4 (If its a quart, than I use less than a pint of chick grit - but I don't measure, I just go by the look/feel) then as a top dressing I use more than an inch (about 2 inches) so that the weeds stay under control! You'll definitely notice a difference! They'll begin to "pop" Lovey dubby your geese!
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twitcher
Jun 4, 2013 11:18 PM CST
Our local Lowes (two different stores) is carrying Silver King at the moment. don't know which one it is though.
Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
Jun 5, 2013 4:36 AM CST

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Vicky, back in March ATP has a Sempervivum Week which included a bunch of articles on sempervivum. Here is one that has some potting mix recipes from different people: http://garden.org/ideas/view/goldfinch4/1211/Growing-Semperv... If you do a search for "sempervivum" at the top of the home page, it will bring up all the articles.

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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
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Cottage_Rose
Jun 5, 2013 6:49 AM CST
I'll have to check out Lowes!
Thanks for the link!
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Name: Patty
Washington State (Zone 8b)
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Patty
Jun 6, 2013 11:25 AM CST
There was just a correction made for Mt. Usher as there was an imposter on the database. So I'm wondering about the mention of two different Silver Kings. I have it and want to make sure it's the real thing. Are there really two different semps with that name? Shrug!
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Name: Vicky Thompson
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Charter ATP Member Sempervivums Roses Peonies Region: Michigan Rabbit Keeper
Lilies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Farmer Cottage Gardener Enjoys or suffers cold winters Annuals
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Cottage_Rose
Jun 6, 2013 11:39 AM CST
I went to my Lowes and they only had generic semps.
I went back to the other place where they had named semps and got 4 more.
I'm all done buying for the year.
I wanted to buy more but I think I've spent well over $500. on plants and garden supplies so far this spring and have to stop. Blinking
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jun 6, 2013 1:08 PM CST
Yes Vicky, time to stop! Or slow down nodding
Patty here is what my 'Silver King' looks like (Lynn's is smaller and fuzzy - mine is totally smooth! and keeps growing, so its now 8 inches across!! And sending out offsets!)

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 6, 2013 2:40 PM CST

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Greg's is the correct 'Silver King'. Mine is an imposter that was being sold about 4 years ago.
Greg, you need to add that wonderful photo to the database. Hurray!

So if any of you have a fuzzy version of 'Silver King', it is incorrect.

Patty, thank you for bringing 'Silver King' up, I made sure all the wrong entries have been removed from the database. Thumbs up

Awesome geese Vicky, what kind are they? They make such good alarm systems. Big Grin
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