Esteemed members of the Respected Assembly of Rose Experts, I come to you today seeking your invaluable knowledge and expertise. Could you please lend me your guidance in identifying a beautiful rose that has captivated my attention? Your collective wisdom and discerning eyes would be greatly appreciated in unravelling the mystery of this enchanting bloom

This rose was growing in the garden of a wonderfully kind and rose-loving elderly lady. When she passed away, I approached the new owner and asked if I could rescue the rose. Much to my delight, the rose not only survived the transition but also bloomed for me this year.

Despite the shade in the old lady's garden, the canes could have measured up to 10 feet in length. The rose was growing on an arbour. I suspect it had been grafted at some point since I had to trim several canes of Rosa multiflora before extracting the heirloom rose. With the assistance of my neighbour, an arborist, we unearthed and relocated the rose to my garden, where it managed to survive. This happened two years ago.

To aid in identifying the rose, I have several pictures to share. The rose bloomed early alongside herbaceous peonies and exclusively on old wood. The size of the flowers is relatively modest, measuring around two inches or so, at least in the current year. It remains possible that the rose has yet to fully establish itself


The leaves look elongated


The new shoots are practically thornless


The buds might have a hint of blush


The rose blooms only once, but its hips are the most interesting rose hips that I have ever seen. Here they are, as of today. You could tell that the hips are elongated. They will turn bright, bright scarlet later.


Your opinions and insight will be highly appreciated. This rose was worth saving

Jasmin said: Esteemed members of the Respected Assembly of Rose Experts, I come to you today seeking your invaluable knowledge and expertise. Could you please lend me your guidance in identifying a beautiful rose that has captivated my attention? Your collective wisdom and discerning eyes would be greatly appreciated in unravelling the mystery of this enchanting bloom

This rose was growing in the garden of a wonderfully kind and rose-loving elderly lady. When she passed away, I approached the new owner and asked if I could rescue the rose. Much to my delight, the rose not only survived the transition but also bloomed for me this year.

Despite the shade in the old lady's garden, the canes could have measured up to 10 feet in length. The rose was growing on an arbour. I suspect it had been grafted at some point since I had to trim several canes of Rosa multiflora before extracting the heirloom rose. With the assistance of my neighbour, an arborist, we unearthed and relocated the rose to my garden, where it managed to survive. This happened two years ago.

To aid in identifying the rose, I have several pictures to share. The rose bloomed early alongside herbaceous peonies and exclusively on old wood. The size of the flowers is relatively modest, measuring around two inches or so, at least in the current year. It remains possible that the rose has yet to fully establish itself


The leaves look elongated


The new shoots are practically thornless


The buds might have a hint of blush


The rose blooms only once, but its hips are the most interesting rose hips that I have ever seen. Here they are, as of today. You could tell that the hips are elongated. They will turn bright, bright scarlet later.


Your opinions and insight will be highly appreciated. This rose was worth saving

I can't help you with naming the rose, but, I'm fascinated to find out what the name is. Pretty little thing. Is it fragrant?

Yes, that light rose fragrant

Jasmin, I do not know the name of the rose, but amazing story and impressive writing skills! Hope the mystery will be resolved.😎

Thank you very much for your kind words

I am looking into old roses. There is some similarities with Wedding Day. I heard about this old rambler, but I have never seen it.

Thornless?

Not completely thornless, but minimal. However, it does not have creamy buds. Mine are more pink, although I saw some pictures of Wedding Day with pink buds. I cannot find any pictures of Wedding Day hips. Mine has scarlet hips, very decorative scarlet hips. I also don't think that mine is a rambler, but that might be because of the climate.

Mine also does not have such abundant sprays, but that might be because the rose hasn't established yet.

Another similar rose is Kiftsgate. I am just looking for the pictures of Kiftsgate.

However, it appears that both Wedding Day and Kiftsgate are from 1950s. It is possible that mine is one of the cultivars from the same period

I hope mine will not turn to be a huge rambler. There is no so much room in the garden

Rosa canina?

Wondering if its R. Kiftsgate.
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

Good photos of rose hips on this page:

https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

It's a lovely species or species hybrid—I'm glad you were able to rescue it. Even if you never learn its true identity, I'm sure you will cherish it for the sake of your rose-loving friend.

If it was grafted, that suggests that it was either not-quite-hardy on its own roots in Ontario, or that the rose was perfectly hardy, and the multiflora rootstock was used to keep the rose from suckering on its own roots.

Patricia asked about fragrance, and I'm also curious about whether the flowers and/or leaves have a fragrance. I couldn't get a good look at the buds, but they look like they have unusual receptacles, somewhat like some of the North American species roses. Here's a link to a cluster of R. virginiana buds that look like they might have a similar shape?
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

I'm also curious about prickles...you report that the new shoots are pretty smooth, but what about the older wood?

You said the canes were fairly long...do you think it's essentially a climber, or just a shrub rose that will climb with encouragement?

The buds in the photo I linked to are quite glandular...are any parts of your rose glandular or hairy or thorny?

Thanks for sharing your photos here—I hope you can get an ID, or if it's a species hybrid, at least an idea of its parentage.

Jasmin said: Not completely thornless, but minimal. However, it does not have creamy buds. Mine are more pink, although I saw some pictures of Wedding Day with pink buds. I cannot find any pictures of Wedding Day hips. Mine has scarlet hips, very decorative scarlet hips. I also don't think that mine is a rambler, but that might be because of the climate.

Your rose is not 'Wedding Day', which has yellow to cream flowers, and is a rambler with multiflora heritage. Compare the fringed stipules in this photo of 'Wedding Day' to those on your plant, which look quite smooth. Smooth stipules suggests that your rose doesn't have any or much Multiflora ancestry:
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...
I think zuzu linked to photos of 'Wedding Day' above, but here it is again (probably): https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

And here's a link to photos of 'Kiftsgate':
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...

I think you're on the right track looking at a selection of Rosa filipes or a hybrid...the elongated buds and hips seem like a better match, though the leaflets on your rose seem to be somewhat 'toothier' than those of 'Kiftsgate'.

@Jasmin just poking around I found this. Looks similar in description.
Wild Rose, Small White Rambling (Rosa multiflora) - 07 - Flowering Trees, Bushes and Shrubs of Sleepy Hollow Lake From All-Creatures.org

I think it looks like a rambler rose. I am by far not a rose specialist. The heart shape tip on the 5 petals was a clue it was like one I had a years ago and no name. Rambling roses usually flower just once, in a huge and spectacular display, with clusters of smaller flowers. climbers are a little more restrained, but they'll flower throughout summer producing larger individual flowers.

https://www.gardenersworld.com...

scvirginia said:I think zuzu linked to photos of 'Wedding Day' above

Nope. I linked to photos of the Kiftsgate hips. The hips of Wedding Day are the wrong shape.

zuzu said: Nope. I linked to photos of the Kiftsgate hips. The hips of Wedding Day are the wrong shape.

I had a 50/50 chance of being right, and was too lazy to leave the message to go back to the thread...

What about species,cherokee rose? This link is safe.

https://live.staticflickr.com/...

Cherokee Rose is extremely prickly, and too tender to survive anywhere in North America north of Virginia or North Carolina. The flower does look somewhat similar, though.

In addition to being cold sensitive, Cherokee Rose has a lot of red in its canes and stems.
So far, we know that it is not R. multiflora, Cherokee Rose or R. mulliganii. I am pretty sure that my heirloom mystery rose is not:
- Seagull
- Sally Holmes
- Boobie James
- Albertine
Mine is totally green, which makes me think that it might be from the Alba family. The scarlet hips of my Heirloom White NOID are very similar to these hips of R. alba semiplena:
https://www.gapphotos.com/imag...

Of all roses that I came across on the Internet, R. alba semi-plena is quite close to mine, except that alba semi-plena has more petals

By the way, I checked the leaves; they are not fragrant. The rose has some weak and soft-looking thorns, but it is practically smooth. I will post a couple of pictures later.

Thank you very much for your support