Daylilies forum: hybridizing and registering

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Name: Theresa Maris
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tgarden711
Jul 15, 2013 6:31 AM CST
Very interesting article. I too have a love for daylilies but I have been afraid to try hybridizing but perhaps it isn't so difficult. I wonder if you have to go to the shows to get them registered or is that just for the awards?
Name: Juli
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daylily
Jul 15, 2013 7:47 AM CST
I split this thread off from the Series thread on Don Herr so that this could get proper answers.

Shows have nothing to do with registering a daylily. However, the daylily does need to be registered to be shown.

Here is the link on the AHS site for registration. I wish I had time to give you a better answer, but I need to get some things done. I'll be back later to see if anyone else has chimed in yet. I have not registered any myself so I am not 100% sure on the process.

http://www.daylilies.org/AHSregister.html
Name: Sunny
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Jul 15, 2013 10:41 AM CST
Hi Theresa,

For now, don't worry about registering anything. If you do, that will be down the road a ways. Just have fun ! Look at your daylilies and think what traits do you see in one, that you might like to combine with another. Most people do like to know both parents, so you might want to label your crosses. If you have your daylilies labeled in your garden it is very easy. There are many methods. I use the paper string tags that you can find at an office supply store. Just write the name of the flower that the pollen came from on the tag and loop it around the flower you are pollinating. Simple. Use your imagination and enjoy !
Name: Larry
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LarryW
Jul 15, 2013 11:37 AM CST
Hi Theresa.
I am a 'backyard hybridizer' and find it to be both a lot of work and a lot of fun. It is a lot like daylilies themselves. That is, you can get into it as deep as you allow yourself to get. Daylily shows have a section for seedlings, so you can exhibit them at a show, but there is no requirement to do so. Some hybridizers take their best seedlings to several shows in hopes of winning a "Best in Class" seedling award or even a "Best in Show" so that they can say that it was an award winner as a seedling when they do register it in order to improve sales and possibly increase the asking price. This is also a way for a hybridizer who is not well known to increase awareness of his/her work.
For the backyard hybridizer, being the first person to ever see a bloom from a plant you grew from seed needs to be the reward you are looking for. Sharing your effort with friends can also be rewarding. Perhaps you will enter a seedling and win a competition, but that should not be the reason you are hybridizing. Instead you want to see what you are able to come up with in your own garden. Whether you plant ten seeds a year or 10,000, the odds are the same regarding getting a spectacular seedling that will become the next great thing in daylilies. That only makes it less likely that the small hybridizer will do so, it does not make it impossible.
As for registering a daylily, I have not yet done so. I have grown out three so far that I have hoped to register, but one simply does not have adequate branching and bud count although everything else about the plant is great. That one will become a very nice garden plant and I will give some away to friends or through my local club. The other two still might be registered, but I have some newer seedlings that I think are much superior to them, so I may just end up with more garden plants so I have more room to grow the newer seedlings. I don't believe that there are any actual requirement for registering a daylily outside of filling out the paperwork, choosing a name and paying the fee. However, when I do register a plant, I want it to be one that would be a good choice for the average gardener - someone who wants a daylily to be tall enough to be seen in the garden, have a good face, have an adequate number of blooms by branching and/or being capable of multiple re-blooms, be a plant that thrives under normal conditions, is fertile and increases well. Everyone has their own standards though, and a few might just want to say that they registered a daylily and not be concerned with some of the things that I listed. The list is simply my own requirements.
Just to give you an idea of what I do, my limiting factor is bed space. I plant about 300 seedlings each year, but I don't have room to keep nearly that number for two or three years, so I cull pretty heavily each year. For example, this year I have about 325 first-blooming-year seedlings in two beds. I have about 125 seedlings that bloomed for the first time in 2012, 75 seedlings that bloomed for the first time in 2011 and just a couple from each of the three previous years which takes me back to when I started hybridizing. This year is the "last chance" year for the "previous years" seedlings - - either they are registration quality or I like them enough that I want them in my garden, or they've got to go so I have room for the seedlings I will plant next spring. I also need to reduce the seedlings from 2011 and 2012 by at least half (hopefully more!). That is the most difficult thing - culling. Sure, some of them are easily recognized as being unfit for any garden, but by year three, those are all long gone. That's when things get tough. You've grown them, you've put effort (and dollars) into them, and you drive yourself crazy over which ones you keep and which you don't. The "big guys" may view culling as part of their business, but for the backyard guy or gal, you want to keep far too many.
Hope I didn't bore you with all of this, but even though I hate getting up early, I do it starting in early May and keep doing so until some time in July so I can hybridize as it gets hot early in the day down here in Georgia, and tets don't set seed very well (or maybe not at all!) when the temperature is above 85. OF course, then there's the problem of picking which 300 seeds to plant the next year out of the 1500 or 2000 seeds you managed to set, but that's another story.
Larry
Name: Theresa Maris
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tgarden711
Jul 15, 2013 12:16 PM CST
Thanks so much for your answers and advice. I think I will try hybridizing this Spring. I have ordered some excellent daylilies from Blue Ridge that have qualities I like. ( Great White, Electric Marmalade Magic, Living In Luxury, Jerry Pate Williams)I prefer the large blooms such as spiders or unusual forms and the ruffled ones are to die for. I like the patterns too. I just got Primal Scream this year and I can hardly wait til next year when I anticipate it will bloom. I am also acquiring some nice daylilies from a friend of mine in September for possible hybridizing next year. I am really looking forward to it Smiling
Name: Juli
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daylily
Jul 15, 2013 3:32 PM CST
Thanks Larry, for correcting me on the fact that seedlings can be shown. I was in a rush, and not thinking.

Sunny and Larry explained it really well!
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spunky1
Jul 16, 2013 4:39 AM CST
Good luck to both on your efforts, Welcome to the forum LarryW.
Name: Juli
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daylily
Jul 16, 2013 12:33 PM CST
I split this thread off from the Series thread on Don Herr so that this could get proper answers.

Shows have nothing to do with registering a daylily. However, the daylily does need to be registered to be shown.

Here is the link on the AHS site for registration. I wish I had time to give you a better answer, but I need to get some things done. I'll be back later to see if anyone else has chimed in yet. I have not registered any myself so I am not 100% sure on the process.

http://www.daylilies.org/AHSregister.html
Name: Jan
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philljm
Jul 16, 2013 10:00 PM CST
Theresa - Primal Scream is an awesome daylily, and this year for me it is really spectacular. I would post a photo, but my camera is not picking up the oranges well at all and my photo does not do it justice - this flower just glows.

I have done a bit of hybridizing, although I have done better by purchasing seeds from the Daylily Auction (LA). It saves me money in the long run because I can purchase seeds from daylilies I can't afford to buy.

I am a VERY small back yard hybridizer - or "player" as I call myself. I do a bit of dabbing, a bit of planting, add some water and see what sprouts. Some are pretty, many are ugly, nothing spectacular yet. I will register my first one this fall - not because it's the "next great thing" but because it's first bloom ever was on my sister's birthday, so I will name it after her and register it. It is a nice daylily though. The reality is that I am not trying to develop a spectacular got to have it daylily - the odds are against me. But I do have fun thinking of crosses and seeing what will happen.

Just to give you an idea, in 2011 I planted 45 seedlings, and last year I planted 16. I have 15 this year, and actually 2 are already showing scapes!!

And so far, nothing I have dabbled with has developed any seed pods yet. It may be a bust - guess I may have to order seeds from the LA Whistling

I was told by the hybridizers here - who offer EXCELLENT advice, and they mentioned that one should choose a goal or two - instead of trying to to work toward everything. So choose spiders, or toothy ones or mini's. or...... Big Grin
Name: Doris&David Bishop
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Casshigh
Jul 17, 2013 10:58 AM CST
You may find that "Primal Scream" is an eye-catching bloom, but very difficult to set seed upon. Pollen may be good, but not a pod-setter for us. Some of our favorite daylilies seldom, if ever, set seed for us. Spiders and UFs have those long pistils, and sometimes don't set seeds well, but this year has been very good for seed set due to the cooler temps here. Like everyone, room is needed for seedlings. That will be to biggest factor in how many seeds to set. Make sure you check ALL of your seeds before deciding which to plant, as I missed "Bass Gibson" seeds last fall. I blame that on my work schedule being very busy during seed planting time last fall, as that excuse can't protest. Some flowers set seeds easily, others don't, but I foolishly think that today COULD be the day it finally sets some pods. If you buy seeds, don't expect to get 50% of them to be registering quality. Or 5%. 1% is what some wise person told me. But... going out each morn when they are blooming for the first time will truly be "Christmas in June!" Some do better in their second bloom season, but some are still doggies.
I think I'll go out and hybridize with pollen I gathered in the early morn,
David
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Jul 17, 2013 1:16 PM CST
Primal Scream does not set pods for me either. Pollen is good though.
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Lilydaydreamer
Jul 17, 2013 5:57 PM CST
Great advise on here. Thumbs up
I also have not been able to set pod on primal scream.
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Name: Jan
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philljm
Jul 18, 2013 3:48 PM CST
Here is a 1 year old Primal Scream seedling X Unknown, - and a "friend"
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Jul 18, 2013 6:39 PM CST
Pretty color on that seedling Smiling
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Name: Jan
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philljm
Jul 18, 2013 7:44 PM CST
That seedling does glow, kind of an orange-y red. And that photo color is pretty true. I absolutely can't get an authentic photo of Primal Scream, it always looks washed out with my camera - nothing like it looks in my garden, and it does not matter the time of day or the conditions. ~Jan

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