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Aug 11, 2013 11:15 AM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Oh my. Doesn't look good. Rooster needs to be chicken dinner.
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Aug 11, 2013 12:05 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Oh yeah, he's in the freezer now! Hurray!
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Aug 11, 2013 12:11 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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Excellent!
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Sep 9, 2013 5:35 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
@porkpal I thought the rooster and I had settled our dominance issue, but apparently not. Whenever I go into the chicken yard, he actively avoids me and stays in the far corner when I clean the coop, change out water, or whatever. He has very recently figured out how to hop up to the top of the fence and often struts up there for much of the day. No problems. He's now hopping down onto the yard side and doing some free-range grazing. I don't much care, I have a couple hens who also do that. They all can hop in and out when they want, haven't done any particular damage to my gardens, and generally prefer to be inside the yard with the flock rather than outside. To round them up, I just open the gate to the chicken yard and calmly walk them back in (both hens and the rooster). All appeared to be good.

On Sunday, the rooster was hanging outside the yard and I was going back and forth loading up our camper. That bugger decided to ambush me and I luckily heard his little pitter-patter feet behind me on our sidewalk, turned around and he was coming at me all fluffed up. He totally startled me, and I screamed and ran (not the best idea but I was caught by surprise). I grabbed a rake and chased him back inside the chicken yard, then left for an overnight fishing trip.

I have not yet done the head-down treatment, and am prepared to instigate that -- but have a huge question -- is that going to only establish MY dominance with him, and is he going to continue to challenge other humans? I am particularly worried about small children. I also don't want to have to watch my back every time I am crouched down weeding in my yard. Ruminating over my fishing pole (no bites), I have pretty much come to the conclusion that he just isn't going to work out and we'll likely eat him. I've had roosters before and have always found them to be pleasant non-aggressive animals. I don't think I need this strife. Pity, as he is a gorgeous rooster and a real good protector of his flock.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
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Sep 9, 2013 5:43 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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The head down routine has made all my roosters generally submissive - however they have not been tested with small children, so I don't know how they would react. Also I used the head down exercise on all of them before they ever showed signs of aggression so that is another variable. You might at least give it a try while you're leafing through your recipe file.
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Sep 9, 2013 5:56 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Just remembered, Big B NEVER went after my granddaughter. Don't know if he sensed he would be dead if he did or what. But not worth taking the chance, AND, she was NEVER left alone around him.
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Sep 10, 2013 7:45 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Deb, there are so many good roosters in the world, I'm not sure it's worth the strife to deal with a mean one. I wish I could send you one of my Blue Laced Red Wyandottes They are so gentle and nice, but they protect the hens too.
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Sep 10, 2013 7:49 AM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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You gave it a good effort. Ruthless is sometimes necessary.
It’s okay to not know all the answers.
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Sep 10, 2013 7:53 AM CST
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Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
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That's about where I'm at, Tom. I've had chickens & roosters before and have never ran into this problem. I feel like my rooster is actively stalking me now. Not a good start to my Magical Year of Gardening (I am retiring before end of this month...) We're gone for the weekend, so I'll let him live until we return, then off with his head. I can pick up another rooster easily enough from the feed store bulletin board, either now or later. My current thought is to get one a tad younger than my hens so they knock him into shape a bit, and to also give him the head-down treatment as soon as I bring him home.

I have two gold laced wyandottes, and they are my other chickens who hop out of the yard on a regular basis. They both have a penchant for laying their eggs in a nest they built in one of my garden beds. Both nice chickens, they shoo back in easily. Funny that they are the escapees, they are both pretty hefty birds.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
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Sep 10, 2013 11:46 AM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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Congrats on retiring, Deb!
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Oct 3, 2013 11:21 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
Rooster update. While on a ladies' overnight getaway, I gave Gary the green light to off the rooster while I was gone. He apparently shot at him with a .22 but somehow missed (? OK he's no hunter ?) but apparently scared the bejesus out of the bird. Ever since then, Roto-rooster has been staying inside his yard like a good boy. We also strung up some bailing twine about 6" inside the top board of the fence with the theory that this flimsy and unstable barrier may discourage him from hopping to the top of the fence to escape. So, for the time being, Roto can stay.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
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Oct 3, 2013 11:25 AM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Oct 3, 2013 11:45 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 3, 2013 12:33 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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I sure hope that rooster behaves or next time no misses!
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Oct 3, 2013 12:41 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Way funny, keep us posed!
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Oct 3, 2013 2:43 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Nov 2, 2013 8:42 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
New question: lights or not? I put up a string of tube lights in the hen house and have it on a timer from about 7 am to 7 pm. But, what I'm finding is I don't want to turn the chickens out before it actually gets light outside, so then they kind of scruff around inside the coop for about an hour or so. Seems when I do let them out, they are all jazzed up and kind of crazy. The rooster is beside himself looking for his morning sport (I assume its not happening in the coop although I haven't been peeking in). From 10 hens I'm getting 5-6 eggs per day. Do you provide winter light or no? I think it also helps with the heat a bit, although that is not a particular concern for me (temperate).
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
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Nov 2, 2013 10:24 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I used to put lights on to keep them laying, but I found out I was burning out the hens too fast. They would only lay for so long, and then quit, or die. I have since learned that by giving them a rest they will continue to lay for many years. Lay bigger eggs, and they will have better egg shells. Their body seems to need the time off to rebuild and regenerate. If you're in it only for rapid egg production, and plan to replace the hens every year or so, then the lights are fine.
Politicians are like diapers, they need to be changed often, and for the same reason.
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Nov 2, 2013 6:38 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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I have read that also, about the hens burning out unless given rest periods. So I guess it depends on what you want. Lots of eggs now, or more in the long run.
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Nov 4, 2013 10:26 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
Here's another chicken question: The hens who do roost (I still have 3-4 who pigpile into the nest box at night) tend to only roost at the far end, nearest to the chicken door Although it's hard to get an inside photo, these are taken from just outside the human door looking in. The screened opening on the left is closed at night. Directly across from that is a double-paned window that does not have a covering on it (second photo). I'm wondering if the window is discouraging roosting on that side, or if it is just a cuddle-issue -- the far end has both the main roost and a shorter one above it. The nest box is also at that end, so all the chickens end up pretty close together at night. I, of course, envisioned walking by in the evening and looking in at a neat row of chickens on the lower roost, but that has never happened.

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