Plumeria forum: seedlings

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Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 2, 2013 12:29 PM CST
Hetty, or anyone else with this knowledge, how do you label seedlings? Even though the seeds come from a "parent" plant, their DNA cannot possibly be exactly the same as that plant. They had to have been pollinated (by the wind, insect, or by hand) from a different plumeria plant, and thus the seedlings by their very nature are a different plant. The flowers may be the similar or even look exactly the same as the parent plant, but the plant nonetheless will not be the same.

I have never grown plumeria from seed or bought a seedling (as far as I am aware), so I just wondered how the labeling is done. Thanks for the info. Ken
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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Aug 2, 2013 1:16 PM CST

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You are correct that seedlings cannot be given the same name as the parent plant (although some vendors do). They do NOT come true to the parent plant. I label mine 'Candy Stripe S' (for Candy Stripe seedling) until it has been deemed worthy of a name of its own!
Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Aug 2, 2013 2:22 PM CST
Ah, ha. So, if the flower is different from the parent plant, you can actually put your/a name on it. That's neat. So, at that point, you drop the "S", huh? What if the flowers appear exactly like the parent? Does it always carry the "S" mark? That's where Madame Gallibert came from, right?
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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Aug 2, 2013 3:12 PM CST

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A seedling is NEVER the same as the parent even if it looks similar. This is the big difference between sexual (from seed) and a-sexual propagation (the latter being from cuttings etc.).
Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 2, 2013 4:24 PM CST
I meant that even though the "trunk" and leaves may be identical looking (of the parent), if the flowers are different you get to name the plant, such as your Madame Gallibert. Hurray!
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Name: Gigi
Florida (Zone 9a)
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GigiPlumeria
Aug 3, 2013 10:49 PM CST
I label mine initially based on the "seedpod parents" this makes it easy for me to identify the "female parents" regardless of which "male parents" cross pollinated them. Since I have 65 seedlings I keep track by using the labeler sticker with the name of the seedpod parent. It will be a couple years or so before I expect to see any blooms from these.

The hybridizers can track both parents because they do "manual cross pollination" or "hand pollination" and nurture the seedpods in a controlled environment. This way, they have better success in making unique plants.
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Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 4, 2013 8:59 AM CST
Sounds like a lot to keep up with, but if you get to put a name on some of them, how great that must be. I guess I will just continue to take cuttings and root them. The 4 dozen plumeria plants I have, plus the 400 or so orchids and hundreds of miscellaneous tropical plants keeps me far too busy as it is. Besides, I don't think I have ever seen a seed pod on one of my plants, perhaps because they only have approximately 7 months growing time. Thanks for the additional information, Gigi. I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Gigi
Florida (Zone 9a)
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GigiPlumeria
Aug 4, 2013 4:09 PM CST
Yes, to be honest I stopped collecting and planting seeds. The 2 years + wait before it will bloom scared me. i don't have the time to care for them for that long and I certainly don't have a place to store them when it gets cold.

I got my first seeds from my neighbors, she gave me half of her seedpod. I planted half of them and several rotted and only 4 survived because I didn't know how to germinate them. The 2nd half I had more success, germination rate was at least 70%. Then I got hooked and bought a few packets on sale (less than $1 to $2) seeds from BBB but my germination rate was high I ended up with now a total of 65 seedlings.
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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Aug 4, 2013 4:13 PM CST

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It's hard to envision - when you have a package of seeds in your hands - that those will all be trees eventually Blinking
Name: Gigi
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GigiPlumeria
Aug 4, 2013 4:17 PM CST
I agree I agree I didn't know if I was going to laugh or cry when the majority of seeds that I planted germinated Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing my husband was shocked, he said I was growing a forest! I am still keeping the majority of them in smaller pots so they look stunted for 1 year old seedlings. The ones I replanted this spring in bigger pots are 1.5 feet tall. yikes!
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Name: Annette
Duluth, Ga (Zone 7a)
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Cem9165
Aug 5, 2013 8:21 PM CST
Gigi, I twitched when I read that you have "65" seedlings. Oh my!!!! You've got your own plumeria nursery nodding you've got to share your secret about your success in getting the seedlings to germinate.
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Name: Gigi
Florida (Zone 9a)
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GigiPlumeria
Aug 6, 2013 6:55 PM CST
Annette, it is very easy. I grow them indoor on the south facing sun. I have more success using the "jiffy pellets seedling starter" than "burpee" or "dirt". The good thing about using the pellets is that they transplant easy (with roots intact) and I can easily control the watering so the seeds won't rot.

The burpee pellets can grow big seedlings but per my experience it gets moldy, which never happened on the jiffy pellets.
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Name: Annette
Duluth, Ga (Zone 7a)
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Cem9165
Aug 6, 2013 8:08 PM CST
Good to know about the best brand of pellets for sowing the seeds. I would love to see the blooms when your plants mature.
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