Daylilies forum: Selfs

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Name: Juli
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daylily
Jan 31, 2010 11:02 PM CST
I love selfs. With all the huge edges of different colors these days, I am afraid the solid color self may be a thing of the past.

Bela Lugosi remains one of my very favorite selfs.

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Frillylily
Feb 1, 2010 9:43 PM CST
I was wondering the other day if say 200 yrs from now, hybridizers will be 'hoping' for a self lol
Anyone who hybridizes a sold dark beauty like Bella Lugosi, could make a fortune!
ha ha

well I have a lot of selfs, they aren't leaving MY garden any time soon.
Many of the patterns I end up disappointed with, because they just look to me like they are 'supposed' to look in John Does photo...
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Frillylily
Feb 1, 2010 9:43 PM CST
I think Michaela is beautiful

Name: Kathy
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kathysflowerpatch
Feb 3, 2010 6:27 PM CST
Dark is beautiful. I have Bela Lugosi, Killer and Tupac Amaru
Killer is my favorite, Bela the least favorite. Have all 3 together and they do bloom at the same time, I like Bela's color but the other 2 out perform it as far as blooms go.

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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Feb 4, 2010 1:11 PM CST
This is our own LILLIAN KATHLEEN its a comlpete self with only one color.

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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Feb 4, 2010 1:14 PM CST
This is LILLIAN'S THIN ICE

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stormyla
Feb 4, 2010 8:39 PM CST
Please humor this novice. Does self mean that it's all one color?
Name: Juli
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daylily
Feb 4, 2010 9:03 PM CST
Yes. The throat may be green, or yellow green, but the petals would be all the same color.

Here is another example....
'Ascension by Fire' (Hanson-C., 2001

Some daylilies have "eyes" - darker areas near the throat, some have "watermarks" which are lighter areas... sometimes the front three petals are a different color than the back three -- which are bicolors and bitones.

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Name: Stormy
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stormyla
Feb 4, 2010 9:07 PM CST
Thank you, Jules.
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daylily
Feb 4, 2010 9:08 PM CST
Stormy,
The daylily in my avatar "Jerry Hyatt" has an eye.... to give you an example of something that is not a self.
Name: Juli
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daylily
Feb 4, 2010 9:12 PM CST
OOPS - I posted the wrong pic of 'Ascension by Fire'

The photo was taken with my Canon and it throws all the color to the yellow/orange range.

Here is the right one, after balancing the color. 'Ascension by Fire' is glowing rose-magenta, not a bright red like the first image looks.

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Name: Stormy
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stormyla
Feb 4, 2010 9:12 PM CST
Thanks, Jules. I really do understand now. I had often seen the term, but wasn't sure what it meant. I do know about eyes, and watermarks, but am not sure what the difference between bitones and bicolors is.
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daylily
Feb 4, 2010 9:17 PM CST
I don't have many photos of bitones or bicolors to post for you - it's not something I looked for in the daylilies I have grown.

A Bicolor might have the front petals red, the back petals yellow.

A Bitone would have the front petals and back petals different shades of the same color... the front petals might be dark pink, and the back petals light pink.

Here is one I can think of... Dottie Warrell's "Douglas Debate"
I **think** this would be a bitone, because the back petals are similar in color to the front petals... just lighter. It is kind of on the border of biTONE and biCOLOR.

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Name: Juli
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daylily
Feb 4, 2010 9:20 PM CST
Ok, I thought of another that is a definite biTONE... the back petals are a lighter shade of the front petals.
Curt's "Roaring Fork"

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Name: Stormy
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stormyla
Feb 4, 2010 9:20 PM CST
Thank you, Jules. That is one lovely Daylily. I do understand the difference now.
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stormyla
Feb 4, 2010 9:21 PM CST
Yes, That is a very good example.
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daylily
Feb 4, 2010 9:24 PM CST
I don't think I have ever grown a bicolor. They are not very common.

You can also have reverse bitones (and bicolors) where the front petals are lighter than the back petals.

I am worried that the Self won't be around in a few years. Almost all the breeders are going for daylilies with big edges, which most often contrast with the petal color. I love selfs, am not fond of edges... so I have not bought many new intros in the last few years.
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stormyla
Feb 4, 2010 9:35 PM CST
Most of my daylilies are older introductions, so I have a number of selfs, which I like. This is Double Trouble.

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Name: Laura Eiras
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Ditchlily
Feb 5, 2010 6:47 PM CST
I love the selfs as well as the flashier edges and eyes.

Here is an oldie but goodie

Pearl Harbor

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Name: Laura Eiras
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Ditchlily
Feb 5, 2010 6:50 PM CST
Winter Treasure is also nice.

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