I hear you! I did have good luck with the PowWow's. Amazing Dream was the only one that lived from the batch I got from Yahoo Groups (they actually shipped in October) and the other 4 were 'Joy's. Hot Papaya is not doing well, only one flower all summer, the other plant was deformed and I threw it out. I grew a Tennessee from seed and that is doing well, also Pica Bella does good. I will see how these new ones do. Aloha, Flame Thrower, Butterflies Julia, and Cheyenne Spirit. Oh, PowWow Berry comes true from seed if you want to grow something cheap, also there is a white one said to come true. For me PowWow white was the most vigorous, I planted two small ones together that I got from SRG.