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As a comment about Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum marmoreum 'Chocolate'), banker07 wrote:

comment from Alan C. Smith
(from "Sempervivums & Jovibarbas" 2. edition 1980)

Brunneifolium (dark form) - We have re-named this form as only one clone is permissible to occupy a single Cultivar name. The new name we have chosen is 'Chocolate'.

A very fine plant having slightly less compact rosettes than Brunneifolium with dark chocolate coloured rosettes. Mr. Hugh Miller verbally mentioned that he received this form from Praeger under S. marmoreum f. brunneifolium No. 2

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addition from me:

S. marmoreum 'Brunneifolium' = S. marmoreum f. brunneifolium - but this botanical name was never accepted by the botanists; so it was renamed like a cultivar;
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banker07
Sep 30, 2013 3:23 AM CST
there is another plant with the name S. 'Chocolate'; a long time everyone thought it was introduced/bred by Gary Gossett; but last year Gary said he didn't;

in germany we added a "(II)" to the name to differ it from the S. 'Chocolate' named by Alan C. Smith;
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valleylynn
Sep 30, 2013 4:50 PM CST
Great information Peter.
Do we need to add the S. 'Chocolate' (ll)?
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banker07
Oct 1, 2013 1:26 AM CST
it's only in a few collections; we can wait till it appears; actually I have no photo I can publish;
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valleylynn
Oct 1, 2013 1:35 PM CST
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