Thanks again ,
I have not shown many reds
The following are out of FOREVER RED x IMPERIAL IMPRESSIONS x LINDA BECK
They all have the feal of velvet,they most likely got from FOREVER RED
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That first one in the red group also looks like velvet. I like that color. Almost looks like a polycrome, if that makes sense. The thrid one is a looker too, actually that whole bunch looks nice.