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Dec 11, 2013 10:56 PM CST
Kentucky ๐Ÿ˜” (Zone 6a)
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Google will have better pics than I do I think, just type in canna virus.

Let's see what's in the library here...

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Yea...not much in there, I deleted them all.

It's visible in those pics as bright green lines on the leaves.

Just google it, it's bad news!
I'm just waitin for it Jump to my gingers or god forbid the naners!
Please tree mail me for trades, I'm ALWAYS actively looking for more new plants, and love to trade!
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Dec 12, 2013 12:08 AM CST
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Name: Evan
Pioneer Valley south, MA, USA (Zone 6a)
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Brian's Botanicals has some nice Cannas and they're a very reliable outfit. I agree they're easy to overwinter in damp peat, sand, soil, whatever. From a mail order they may not get huge in 2014 but the following year watch out. Big pots for sure, just not terra cotta. This is 'Phasion'/Tropicanna in a 24" dia. tc pot.
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I had the pot in an oil drain pan but switched to a watering trough so I wouldn't have to fill it every couple of days. They get 6' here. City of Portland is my tallest at 8'+. It's pretty boring though. I've heard some strains of Stuttgart are more stable than others. Will try Brian next year. Does anyone grow Cleopatra?
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Dec 12, 2013 4:57 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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JUMP ? NANNERS ? O M G I had no idea it would affect other plants.

I just googled and its not pretty
https://www.google.com/search?...

I will ratchet back my expectations.
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Dec 12, 2013 7:00 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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You know, nature is not always kind. There are all kinds of "stuff" out there that we fight against year after year (mold, weeds, virus, insects, etc.), knowing we will never win the battle. All we really can do is the best we know how, hoping that our efforts will afford us healthy, beautiful plants and flowers.
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The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 12, 2013 7:21 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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Thats good enough for me.It applies to most garden plants.
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Dec 12, 2013 9:01 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- ๐ŸŒน (Zone 8b)
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Cannas grow so fast when the time is right, I don't think I would make any effort to plant them before it's pretty warm out. They won't do much before then but take up a lot of space and time. I definitely have frugal tendencies so if they offer both tubers and growing plants, I'd get the tubers (assuming that's a significant savings) because I would be sure I'd have blooming plants within a couple months, maybe 2 weeks behind the already growing ones. The last time I excavated some to move elsewhere, it was about 3 weeks before I got around to putting them in their new home. Within 6 weeks, they were grown enough to make flowers, though definitely shorter plants than those left undisturbed.

I don't miss having to dig them up & store them in the basement like I did in OH. Brought them to AL and one of these days, I'll quit moving them almost every summer. It's not as easy to place them when they stay alive and are able to creep at will. They need a 'hard border' from which they can't escape, like concrete, or mowing. They're almost always seen around here in lone 'stands' right in the middle of a lawn. They really can't be a companion with anything else that I know. This summer I ran out of places to put them, so I sent boxes of them to several people, they multiply FAST (as long as they have the lateral space to do so.) It all started with a couple tubers a friend gave me in OH, now they're all over my yard down here, my Mom's yard & been mailed back to OH among other places. So the moral of all of that story is that you don't need much of a type unless you're impatient to have a ton of them NOW. In time, you'll have a ton of any kind.

One advantage of growing them out of range of hardiness is lack of canna leaf roller caterpillars. I don't do garden chemicals so daily patrols for these things are necessary if I'm going to see any flowers. It doesn't look like the problem will ever dissipate as the adults can fly. For that reason, I tell people about that if they think they're interested and live where they are hardy. A lot of them decide Cannas aren't for them if they don't micro-manage like that, and agree putting chems on these plants which could potentially poison hummingbirds (which are attracted to the nectar/blooms) is a cruel idea. Probably unlikely but already-growing plants could have these caterpillars or unhatched eggs. That would only be a problem the first year, AFAIK, and then only until they are eradicated by the gardener, but something to look for if one is getting plants vs. dormant tubers. It's not a reason to not buy them, especially if you know the climate can't support them in subsequent years, just something to know so they could be removed from the plant if found.

For comparisons' sake, if the diff kinds grow at diff rates, the kind I have are plain species C. indica, large plain green leaves, smallish fire-engine red flowers, get to about 7 feet tall here though if I ever left them alone for a few years, they might be a bit taller, but I haven't seen a really tall patch of this kind. Sounds like the same kind Ken has. I drive by patches with other flower colors that do get a lot taller. How tall do yours get, Ken?

This patch has been in place since late summer '12. This pic is from 9/3/13. At the far end you can see some 'Cleopatra' I got from a friend just over a year ago. Haven't had those long enough to say much about them except that the flowers are incredible, about 3x the size of the red ones, and look hand-painted in yellow/orange stripes and spots. The leaves are known for the random red spots/stripes. A pretty one!
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Dec 12, 2013 9:06 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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Those are very dramatic.
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Dec 12, 2013 9:39 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
My Canna indica 'Sunset' got up to 8' tall this summer, though most were 6-7'. I fertilize them with Osmacot in early March, just before they start growing. I do the same with my gingers. Since I have so many other plants and fertilize them differently, the canna catch some of that water-soluble fertilizer during the spring/summer. I don't fertilize anything outside beginning in September, except for the winter vegetables and of course all my garlic.
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Dec 12, 2013 11:55 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- ๐ŸŒน (Zone 8b)
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That a good point, Ken, and interesting. I don't fertilize ground plants at all except edibles, sporadically/impulsively. Whatever plant I think 'should be' blooming when I have a banana peel, that's the plant where it gets buried near. Aside from compost/leaves of course. Sometimes I use diluted, pureรฉd banana water on container plants, but that's about it for those.

Do you have problems with the leaf rollers on Cannas? I guess it's hard to say how tall these plants could be if I'm constantly having to chop parts off. The day I get tired of caterpillar patrol, I'll dig these up for a new home. I don't want to look at a rolled up patch of leaves with few flowers, or own the host plants of others' problems.
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Dec 12, 2013 12:12 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Sorry, I don't even know what a "leaf roller" is. I get (gigantic, if I let them grow) worms sometimes on my tomato plants, but manange to pick them off before they can grow to size and feed them to the birds. The birds love them!

I like the Osmocot because it is a once-and-done fertilizer. Good for us lazy folks. I go through 20-30 lbs of it each year.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 12, 2013 2:03 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- ๐ŸŒน (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
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I think you would know if leaf rollers were on your Cannas. The caterpillars weave a web around unfurled leaves so they never unroll. The leaves look terrible and the flowers often get stuck in the rolled up leaves. The caterpillars start out microscopically small and never get near as big as a hornworm. I've learned to recognize the brown spots on forming leaves that give away their tiny presence inside.

Other critters munch on Canna leaves I'm sure, but the rolling is very distinctive and destructive for this particular one.

Tons of pics of the damage out there:
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Dec 12, 2013 2:11 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
OK, I have neither seen any of these bugs on my 'Sunset' canna nor their webbing, and I only grow the one variety. Lucky I guess. Whistling
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Dec 12, 2013 3:01 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- ๐ŸŒน (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
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Yep, like any critter, there has to be some around to get some on your plants, I don't think they're particular about species or cultivar, but never looked into that. I rarely see the actual caterpillars since they're inside the rolled up leaves, just the effects of their presence. (Then I cut the whole tip off and submerge it to drown them and let their poo fertilize plant water. How's that for lazy? LOL!) If I didn't live 'in town,' and away from so many other nearby patches of untended Cannas, things would probably be much better. Sure the adults can fly but probably not too far. Thumbs up to your luck! Sending good vibes that it holds for years to come!
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