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Jan 16, 2014 5:22 PM CST
Name: Gerry Donahue
Pleasant Lake, IN (Zone 5b)
Hostas Garden Ideas: Master Level
Thank you all for the advice about not taking plants into Spain.

Brian,
Over 99% of variegation is a result of mutation, usually cause by the sun and additives in the soil. I have been breeding hostas for over 20 years, and I know that about this same percentage of variegated hostas is a result of multiple mutations. In the hostas world, if a hosta mutates, the mutation needs to grow separately from the mother plant to help it stay mutated.
With the variegated Kwanso, remove the green fans and feed them to the chickens and turkeys. And every time there is a green fan, remove it.
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Jan 16, 2014 8:26 PM CST
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
Thanks Gerry for the advice. It's too late for the one clump as it has completely reverted but the other has not had one single plain green fan on it since I got it at least 6 years ago. I will keep an eye out for any though.
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Jan 17, 2014 9:32 PM CST
Name: Lisa
Grove City, Ohio (Zone 5b)
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Region: Ohio
Glen,

I know that Paul Owen (Slightly Different Nursery) has a future intro with reliably pleated foliage. I told him I want a plant, no matter what the bloom looks like! I have no photo to show, but it sounds really different from his description of it. I think he will be introducing it in the next couple years. Maybe another new direction for daylilies???

Lisa
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Jan 17, 2014 9:43 PM CST
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Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Lisa, that is exciting!! Thanks for that. There are opinions (criticisms) that hybridisers have been lax with foliage with daylilies.

That isn't me belief but it is such a wonderfully open area for the future. As you say a 'new direction'!!
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Jul 8, 2014 5:08 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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@MLT Lisa, have you heard more about the cultivar with pleated foliage to be introduced by Paul Owen?
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Jul 8, 2014 4:01 PM CST
Name: Larry
Augusta, GA area (Zone 8a)
Daylilies Region: Georgia Hybridizer Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Good question, Glen. I have only personal observations and what I have read to add to offer, but here it is (for what its worth!).
There are several hybridizers who describe foliage on a particular plant as being "well arched," which makes me assume that they consider certain other plants to have foliage that is either too upright or too droopy. I have also seen a lot of references, particularly by John Benz, which refers to the color of a true dormant daylily's foliage as being a blue-green as opposed to that or an evergreen or SEV which is presumably more of a yellow-green. As for my own garden, there are some differences in the shades of green, but I certainly don't know whether it is related to the specific plant or to the current growing conditions. I will say that I have seen what appears to be a more blue-gray-green color to the leaves of my dormant plants when they first emerge early in the spring, but I just went out to look, and I don't see that difference now in mid-summer heat.
Larry
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Jul 8, 2014 5:42 PM CST
7A (Zone 7a)
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This foliage is of Cup of Cold Water in '13 and looks just as nice this year. It's been leaf streak free so far which is a big plus. I love the arch and leaves seem 'heavier' than other cv's.

We're about to get a storm so I'll go out tomorrow and take photos of some other examples for you.


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Jul 9, 2014 3:59 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Lovely arch. Firm. Nearly bromeliad like.
The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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Jul 9, 2014 7:28 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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dormantsrule, so glad to see you posted the comment on leaf streak free foliage on 'Cup of Cold Water'. I have had no rust show up yet this season, but leaf streak has been very bad.
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Jul 9, 2014 9:03 AM CST
Name: Bob Watson
Terre Haute, IN (Zone 5b)
Daylilies
I guess I'm a little late to the party, but here's my 2 cents worth......I have Identity Crisis. We've grown it for a couple of years and have two clumps of it. One was more green and is very healthy and tall. The other one was mostly white and has been a pretty weak grower and blooms at 1/2 the height of the other one. I am attaching a couple of pictures of the healthier (more green) plant in bloom. Please ignore the weeds. They are only a figment of your imagination........


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This plant, for me, has a habit like Kwanso variegata. A green plant may throw a variegated one and the variegated ones commonly revert. They may be half and half, striped, or some variation. Totally unstable. I'm jealous of Brian's clump of Kwanso's...I wish mine were stable. without management, my clumps tend to become at least 80% all green. I have to cut out the all-green fans to encourage the others. I think Identity Crisis will be the same way...I can either have nice, variegated foliage OR a tall, healthy plant that is mostly green. The ones with too much white just don't produce enough energy to make a tall scape. I have not found the white foliage easily damaged by sun, though. Some variegated plants have white areas that easily sunburn, like Canna Stuttgart.

I have also grown Golden Zebra, very poorly, I might add. It was a tiny little thing from Wayside. I got two small blooms on it once and lost it one winter. It never was very healthy.

There is another variegated daylily that behaves like some hostas....comes up variegated and then goes all green in the summer. I haven't grown this one. There is a great picture of it, Secured Borders, on the Plant Delights site, but they aren't currently offering it. This is an archived page. Maybe if they get enough requests it will come back. I know they rotate plants in and out as they have stock. It looks pretty cool.... http://www.plantdelights.com/H...

Here's a snapshot of the Plant Delights photo:


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Apparently the plant is currently available from QuackinGrass Nursery for $12 : http://quackingrassnursery.com...

It's interesting that on both Kwanso variegata and on Identity Crisis, when there is white on the flowering scape, the buds on that portion are also pure white, but the blooms open and develop totally normal color.

My wife, Nancy, and I grow a lot of seedlings and I'm always on the lookout for variegation. We have one tet plant that the leaves show striations, but they fade by the end of the summer. It isn't that healthy...it isn't even blooming this spring and hasn't grown that much. I almost wonder if it has a virus...the light areas are almost ridged in the leaves. We also have a diploid seedling that was all green and then threw a fan with one white stripe on one side. It disappeared the next year, but came back this spring. Neither has particularly interesting blooms.

I'll try to get pictures of those two and repost later. Neither is that impressive and probably won't amount to anything, but I keep hoping.... Bob
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Jul 9, 2014 5:14 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Bob. Thumbs up I am thinking of getting identity crisis.
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Aug 2, 2014 1:47 AM CST
Name: Tina
Where the desert meets the sea (Zone 9b)
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Found another variegated foliage daylily in the ATP Database to add:



But, am wondering also about the original breadth of foliage types mentioned at the top of the thread? "long, wide, thin, strappy, high arching, erect, flat, curled? and different colours? variegation? ornamentation?"

I know variegation is eye-catching, and enjoyed the pictures and cultivar names shown above. But, wouldn't it be neat to learn about other types of daylily foliage as well? I know I'm partial to foliage that shows a lot of twisting and curling, and that is wider-leafed and arching, for one reason since in my zone daylilies are a foliage focal point for 9 out of 12 months of the year (I see them every day, not just in the summer). So, I'm interested in obtaining more of those elegantly bladed ones to add to what I already have...
Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of old; seek what those of old sought. — Basho

Daylilies that thrive? click here! Thumbs up
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Oct 13, 2014 3:18 PM CST
Name: Muata Kamdibe
Diamond Bar, California (Zone 10a)
Killing plants since 1992
Region: California Daylilies Vegetable Grower Plumerias
I am glad that I found this thread because I too am interested in varied looking DL foliage. However, I am really interested in variegated DLs. I have Green Zebra and Variegated Kwanso, and I wish that I could give positive reports on both. V. Kwanso is slowly but surely growing. GZ isn't as poor of a grower, but it is a small plant that is getting crowded out in the bed. I think that once I move her, she will do much better. Nevertheless, I am still on the hunt for more variegated cultivars.

Here's a list that I have compiled of the variegated cultivars I could find. Please add more to the list if you know of any that I've missed. Thanks in advance for your help guys, as this is my first time posting at ATP. So, far folks have been extremely nice and friendly ... Group hug

White stripe
Variegated Kwanso
Variegated Cream
Golden Zebra
Secured Borders
Striped Gem
Variegated Jackpot
Saginaw Sweetheart
Identity Crisis
Abbey Dore Court
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Oct 13, 2014 3:46 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Muata. Welcome. That is a good list to have.
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Oct 13, 2014 5:34 PM CST
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Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Hi Muata!
We have another thread about variegated foliage in the Daylily forum, here is the link...
The thread "Is there such a thing as a variegated daylily?" in Daylilies forum

Two more for your list are Polish Chameleon, not sure if this one is in the U.S. and a new one I saw this past spring called Should Have Zagged.
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Apr 8, 2015 12:12 PM CST
Name: Muata Kamdibe
Diamond Bar, California (Zone 10a)
Killing plants since 1992
Region: California Daylilies Vegetable Grower Plumerias
Char said:Hi Muata!
We have another thread about variegated foliage in the Daylily forum, here is the link...
The thread "Is there such a thing as a variegated daylily?" in Daylilies forum

Two more for your list are Polish Chameleon, not sure if this one is in the U.S. and a new one I saw this past spring called Should Have Zagged.


I am more than a day late and a dollar short in responding! I just realized where to go and see the discussions I am following. Nevertheless, thanks for the link and the other variegated cultivars Hurray!
¨You have to get up and plant the seed and see if it grows, but you can't just wait around, you have to water it and take care of it.¨ - Bootsy Collins

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Apr 8, 2015 12:31 PM CST
Name: Wes
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Gleni said:This is also from Blueridge. WIGGED OUT.
Look mum, a flowerless daylily!
http://thebloomingauction.com/...


I've seen those over the years (online) but in seeing it again I've just got to have "Wigged Out". I think it could be a fantastic centerpiece for some smaller varieties. Hmmm. Big Grin

Thanks for the reminder! I tip my hat to you.
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Apr 8, 2015 6:46 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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That's an interesting cultivar "Wigged Out". I wonder what causes that? I have something similar in my garden that has never bloomed. At one point I thought it was a weed, but it does appear to be a daylily of some sort.
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Apr 8, 2015 6:59 PM CST
Name: Ashton & Terry
Oklahoma (Zone 7a)
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Robin Calderon spoke at our club couple years ago and brought some of Wigged Out and that is how I got it.
It makes quite a few wigs per year and they last well into the fall.
I have never seen a bloom on it.
It is a RAPID increaser.
Here is a picture of some of the wigs.
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Apr 8, 2015 7:01 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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That is soooo cool! Mine don't look that unusual. Crazy looking!
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