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Name: George Kashton
St.Petersburg, or Sochi, or No (Zone 10a)
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yurikashtanov
Apr 21, 2014 11:29 AM CST
Russia is something like the "wild horse" for the gardeners all over the world. Guess what. I 'm the one in the Stetson hat trying to break the wild horse and get ye'all aquainted with the species all the way across Atlantic.
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terrafirma
Apr 21, 2014 12:52 PM CST
Hi George! Love the hat! Thumbs up
The only Russian plants I'm familiar with, and don't know if they are truly Russian or not, is the Perovskia aka. Russian Sage, and a tomato I'm trying for the first time...A Silver Fir Tree tomato. I've been told that it is a Russian heirloom tomato. True? Or no?

Would love to hear about some of your favorites! Smiling
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drdawg
Apr 21, 2014 1:36 PM CST
There are several garlic varieties that have a Russian origin.
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SongofJoy
Apr 21, 2014 4:11 PM CST
And Red Russian kale. Yum. Thumbs up
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greene
Apr 21, 2014 4:39 PM CST
Hello George,
I have been admiring the photos you submitted to ATP. Thumbs up

When I think of Russia, I do not think of how vast it is with many climate zones. Yes I am jealous of your zone 10a near the beautiful Black Sea.

Question please: does your Tuberous Comfrey (Symphytum tuberosum) set viable seeds?

Oh, yeah, nice hat!
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RickCorey
Apr 21, 2014 5:54 PM CST
I'm impressed by how many tomato varieties come from Russia.

'Azoychka' - LEMON YELLOW - Bred by Russian hobbyist Valentina Petrovna Kruglova.
'Kalinka' - early, red, medium size from Belarus
'Ispolin' - "giant" - 1-2 pounds from Siberia
'Kardinal Tshyornyi' - (black tomato) 6-12 ounce fruits
'Moskovich'

And I understand that garlic enthusiasts look to Russia and eastern Europe for heirloom garlic varieties.
Name: George Kashton
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yurikashtanov
Apr 22, 2014 2:38 AM CST
Terrafirma I know there're quite a few species of sage in Russia. But I'm not that much familiar with the Perovskia. Looks nice, though http://www.imagejuicy.com/images/plants/p/perovskia/1/

Drdawg, yep many gardeners here grow garlic.
I like your site!

SongofJoy, Brassica napus is getting real popular. They produce the cooking oil out of it.
I didn't know it could be used for salads.

Greene, thank's !
As for Tuberous Comfrey, I'm sure it does set viable seeds, but I havn't collected those yet. I meet it quite often in the wild form both in all my places.

RickCorey, sure there many different varieties of tomato, that people grow here. I'm impessed you are familiar with those you mentioned. I'll check the heirloom garlic.

BTW, while in Ecuador I real liked tomati de arbol (Tamarillo or Tree tomato). Makes awesome fresh juce! I wonder if it could be grown in Sochi area.
You can see "tomati de arbol" in the center of the tray on the picture.


Thank You!




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drdawg
Apr 22, 2014 6:19 AM CST
I tip my hat to you.

I think there are several hardneck and softneck garlic varieties, all heirloom, that originated in Russia. Also several are from other eastern European countries, like Poland, Romania and Hungary. The variety from Romania is named "Translyvania" and is the garlic of the novel "Dracula". It is believed by many to keep bad spirits away!

By the way, the term heirloom really doesn't mean very much. Many people believe that it relates to the quality/taste of a vegetable, and though the quality/taste may be superior to hybrids of the same vegetable, it is not necessary so. The term only means that it was grown in "olden" times and is the same plant as was grown then. Generally, it means that the vegetable has been around for a minimum of 50 years, but many won't call a vegetable "Heirloom" unless it goes back at least 100 years. Some heirlooms go far back in history, over 300 years. And though heirlooms may be great in taste/color/texture, they generally will be more susceptible to insects and diseases. Many of the hybrids were developed for resistance to pests and disease.
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pirl
Apr 22, 2014 7:03 AM CST
There are also Russian Japanese irises!
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dyzzypyxxy
Apr 22, 2014 9:33 AM CST
I'll bet you meant Russian (Siberian) *and* Japanese irises, right Arlene? I think Siberia is still part of Russia, isn't it George?
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pirl
Apr 22, 2014 9:38 AM CST
I believe the testing is ongoing at Eartheart Gardens, by owner Sharon Whitney, and the JI seeds are from Russia. I copied this from her site (link provided above).

"In 2003 Nina Alexeeva collected seeds from the wild in 9 regions of Eastern Russia. An account of her adventures entitled “Irises in Primorje” was published in the fall 2006 SIGNA bulletin #77. Nina sent ensata seeds to Jim Waddick who in turn sent them on to Jill Copeland in Michigan (Zone 5), Phil Cook in Vermont (Zone 4) and Sharon Whitney in Maine (Zone 5). Each of the three recipients grew on the seeds and later made selections: the earliest blooming flower, a 6 fall flower and a flower with cream-colored signals. The ensata with cream-colored signals has been named and introduced as ‘Nina Alexeeva.’
After ten years of enriching and resting the soil around our pond, we created new beds to hold selections of Japanese iris from Russia. Located in the same area, you will find Sharon’s seedlings developed by using pollen from Russian selections with modern ensatas. We are particularly excited to share these new cultivars."

No mention of any other irises noted.
Name: George Kashton
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yurikashtanov
Apr 23, 2014 4:03 AM CST
Drdawg, thank you for the information on garlic varieties. The resistance of the new hybrids to pests and disease is essential.

Pirl, that's the interesting and usefull Eartheart Gardens site. I'm impressed with Dr. McEwen work on hybridization of Siberian irises. It's also great to know the new insata has got the name ‘Nina Alexeeva.’

Elaine, good note!

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drdawg
Apr 23, 2014 5:55 AM CST
I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Apr 26, 2014 1:40 AM CST

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No, Elaine, I don't think Pirl meant Russian (Siberian) and Japanese irises. She meant Japanese Irises (I. ensata) originating in Russia. And yes, Siberia is still part of Russia. In fact, as a proud Siberian, I can state that most of Russia is in Siberia. Siberia accounts for 77 percent of Russia's territory.
Name: George Kashton
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yurikashtanov
Apr 27, 2014 11:59 AM CST
Zuzu, guess what. They start gtowing grape in Siberia. It's in the Ural already. No kidding. I tell ya !
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Apr 27, 2014 1:42 PM CST

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Siberian wine? What a concept! Big Grin
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drdawg
Apr 27, 2014 2:21 PM CST
ICE WINE! Sticking tongue out Yes, there is such a thing and it can be very expensive.
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RickCorey
Apr 28, 2014 4:51 PM CST

@SCButtercup mentioned an heirloom tomato, but with only a hint about it's name.
Can anyone guess what it might be?

>> Szarny tzetzl (or something Russian sounding)

http://garden.org/thread/view_post/601211/
in the thread called Welcome to the Heirloom Tomato thread!
The thread "Welcome to the Heirloom Tomato thread!" in Vegetables and Fruit forum
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terrafirma
Apr 28, 2014 5:15 PM CST
I'd still like to know if the Silver Fir tree tomato is truly a Russian heirloom. Whistling @yurikashtanov Have you ever heard of it?

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Name: Zuzu
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Apr 28, 2014 5:30 PM CST

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Rick, I can't imagine what "Szarny tzetzl" could mean. "Sz" usually appears only in Hungarian names. If it's "Czarny," that would be the Polish word for black in the German system of transliteration (Charny in the English system). "Tzetzl" brings absolutely nothing to mind in any system of transliteration. The "ts" sound is transliterated as "z" in the German system and "ts" in the English system.

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