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May 27, 2014 6:23 PM CST
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Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Here's a little article about how lighter colored butterflies (and dragonflies) are thriving with the warming climate. The study is looking at European butterflies, but I imagine the same might be true in other parts of the world.

http://www.upi.com/Science_New...
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May 27, 2014 6:33 PM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Very interesting Thumbs up
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May 27, 2014 6:45 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I agree
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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May 27, 2014 6:51 PM CST
Name: Ive
Florida (Zone 10b)
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Gulf fritillary caterpillars on my mandevilla vines. Who knew? I thought they only liked passion fruit vines.

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Boricua in Florida, I guess that makes me a Floridicua!
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May 27, 2014 7:04 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Ive, those are not Gulf Frit cats. The spikes are all wrong. They look a bit more like Oleander moths but those have really black fuzzy spikes and yours are a bit lighter. But I'd definitely say you have some kind of moth there.
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May 27, 2014 7:18 PM CST
Name: Ive
Florida (Zone 10b)
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Hi mellilong... you are right. I used to have passion vines and had both cats roaming around. Couldn't tell the difference till now. Darn. Not a fan of oleander moths. I don't mind those caterpillars on my mandevilla vines but they do mess up my adeniums and that's where I draw the line. Grumbling
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May 27, 2014 7:56 PM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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Dropt in a new book on north American bumble bees in The thread "April 2014--Bees!" in Gardening for Butterflies, Birds and Bees forum
The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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May 28, 2014 6:24 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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I think this is a Blue Tiger at Bramston Beach.

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The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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May 28, 2014 8:45 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh pretty, pretty!


Nothing to write home about but shot this moth hanging around yesterday.

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I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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May 28, 2014 12:39 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Well, Mom felt the need to wake me this afternoon to tell me that she and Dad were going to Home Depot. Not sure why she couldn't have left a note. I got out of bed and asked her that and Dad was like, "I would have told her not to wake you up." They let my brother stay asleep, for some reason. But Dad felt bad she woke me up so I was like, "Buy me some more cheesecloth from Home Depot". I need it for the caterpillars (I put it on the top of the critter keepers so the little ones can't crawl out.) It's also good to attach a chrysalis to. So I got woke up but at least I'm getting something out of the inconvenience. Seriously, I have chronic fatigue; let me sleep!

But I really needed to get up because my butterflies had emerged. They were actually out when I got up to go to the bathroom just before 6:00 am but there was no way I was getting up then or releasing butterflies that early. They were pretty ready to fly so I didn't get great pictures, but I did get some. Here's the Red Admiral. It took him a minute or two to figure out how to fly up and out of the cage. I pushed him along with my finger to help.

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I knew the Cloudless Sulphur would bust out of there in no time so I took the picture while it was still in the cage. Sure enough, I opened that thing and it went flying straight up into one of the oak trees. I would have needed a telescopic lens to see it. You can see what I mean about the cheesecloth here. Not just for painting! It's always kind of fun to explain to the Home Depot folks why I'm buying it. I usually have to ask where it is because they keep moving it and hiding it from me.

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When I found that Orange-Barred Sulphur cat last week, I totally thought he'd be a chrysalis in a day or two because he was so big. Now it's like six days later and he's still a caterpillar. He does seem to be eating less so maybe he's thinking about becoming a chrysalis?

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Here's a little skipper that was hanging around out front while I was releasing the hostages.

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My Passiflora suberosa still has no leaves on it but I keep finding the occasional caterpillar that has survived by eating stems. I moved this guy over to the Passiflora "Lavender Lady".

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This Gulf Frit was a smart one and just went straight to laying eggs on the "Lavender Lady". It's pretty chewed-up but there are still lots of leaves on it.

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And this Gulf Frit was just enjoying some porterweed. Yummy!

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The Zebra Longwings still prefer the Jatropha, though.

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Since the Red Admiral tank was now empty, I decided it was time to move the Pipevine Swallowtails into better accommodations. I thought about it yesterday, but too many of them were molting. I still have some molting, but not as many today. Here's the current leaf they're on, along with one of the leaves they've eaten that I cleaned out and threw away. I have to say, they're pretty good caterpillars as far as not wasting food. You can see they eat everything but the veins of the leaf.

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And here's a lovely shot of my hand. You guys see lots of pictures of my hands, you know? Oh, and that's a Pipevine ST cat on it. You can tell them from Polydamas because their front tubercles are WAY longer. Some Pipevine cats also take on a reddish color but I hear that can be a regional thing. Mine have been a little reddish right before they molt but once they molt they go back to being dark brown.

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In other news, I lost some of my tiniest Spicebush cats. But the ones that are alive seem to be thriving. I have a couple that are starting to be big enough where you can see the detail on them and not just brown-and white cats. They're also building little homes in the leaves (they make little flaps they fold over) and I gleefully tear them open to check on them and do my caterpillar census. It probably makes for mad caterpillars but they just silk it back together once I'm gone. I figure they can use the exercise anyway, right? Oh, and in sightings around the house, Mom claims to have seen the Giant Swallowtail. She can actually identify that one so I tend to believe her. I need to go check her lemon tree for eggs; my rue certainly didn't have any on it.
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May 28, 2014 5:18 PM CST
Name: Dave
Dayton, TN (Zone 7a)
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I was taking a couple of photos of the first bloom on this baby Canna 'Maui Punch' and did not notice the Orange Sulfur until I downloaded. There is something very elegant about this butterfly in a very non- flashy way.
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May 28, 2014 5:47 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Dave, when you say "Orange Sulphur" are you speaking literally? Because that kind of looks like a Southern Dogface to me. Granted, I have not seen many of either species in real life but I'm wondering what other folks' take on this one might be. Either way, nice picture and surprise butterflies are the best!
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May 28, 2014 6:10 PM CST
Name: Dave
Dayton, TN (Zone 7a)
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Melanie they call them Orange sulfurs here but I am no expert just a very avid hobbyist willing to learn Smiling
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May 28, 2014 6:58 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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I think to know for positive, one has to really look at the upper surface of the wings, at least according to what I've been researching.
Here are 2 sources of info.; 1 for each

http://bugguide.net/node/view/...

http://wisconsinbutterflies.or...
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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May 30, 2014 10:26 PM CST
central Illinois
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Really enjoyed pics of Australian BF.
Nothing that's been done can ever be changed.
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May 31, 2014 3:05 AM CST
Name: Glen Ingram
Macleay Is, Qld, Australia (Zone 12a)
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This is another large and much loved butterfly from the tropics: Cairns Birdwing.

Unfortunately, I didn't succeed in properly getting the spectacular contrasting green and black of the open wings of the male. It was exhausting chasing them. I was trying to photograph orchids at the time, too, and by coincidence you can see through the greenhouse screens my brother Rod importuning me to come photograph another birdwing he sees.

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Female on the lawn
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Male came down to the female. You can get an idea of the gorgeous green
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Male perched
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The problem is that when you are young your life it is ruined by your parents. When you are older it is ruined by your children.
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May 31, 2014 8:31 AM CST
central Illinois
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Last one, is for sure exotically colored.
Nothing that's been done can ever be changed.
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May 31, 2014 11:24 AM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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jmorth said:Last one, is for sure exotically colored.


I agree I agree Hurray!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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May 31, 2014 1:47 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Those Birdwing butterflies are awesome! A few years ago I watched this special about the insects of Papua New Guinea and of course, the host guy was in search of the Queen Alexandra's Birdwing (the biggest butterfly on Earth). In the meantime, there were plenty of other cool insects to look at, including other butterflies. And he made it clear that if they found one, he couldn't touch it or net it or anything due to it being highly endangered. Well, wouldn't you know they finally saw one flying around. I think it was the female (the bigger of the sexes). And the camera is following it and the host is talking about how endangered it is and how he can't touch it - and the thing goes and lands on his hat! And it stayed there for like a minute! The host guy was like a little kid in a candy store; he got so excited! It was really cool to watch and I totally understand the feeling! By the way, the Queen Alexandra's Birdwing feeds on a species of Pipevine (different genus than the ones I grow, though).

But speaking of my pipevines...I got egged again! Only this time it was a Polydamas. And it stuck to the Dutchman's Pipevine and left my native Wooly Pipevine alone, thankfully. Last year, I was not so lucky. I had just planted my two Wooly Pipevines and they ate them to nothing; I can't believe they came back. Host plants learn to be resilient! Now, let me show you some pictures to explain how I can tell which butterfly I've got. On the left is the reddish-orange eggs of the Pipevine ST which I collected a few weeks ago. On the right are the more yellow-golden eggs of the Polydamas ST. That's how you can tell the difference!

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I only found eight eggs which is weird because Polydamas will normally carpet-bomb your plant. Unlike a lot of butterflies, they seem to have no sense of egg to plant ratio. They just keep laying eggs until they run out of room (or eggs). Maybe I got an old one that was running low? Anyway, I brought them inside because I haven't raised Polydamas in a while. We don't even have them at the museum yet which is weird. But I'll check tomorrow while I'm there.

And speaking of eggs...my Corky-stem Passion Vine has a bit of new growth on it! So naturally, this happened.

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And if you look, you can see two small caterpillars. The yellow eggs indicate a Zebra Longwing did the laying. The one caterpillar is orange and on the left side of the top leaf and the other is below him on the other leaf and is smaller and darker (he's younger, too).

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Now, if you'll allow me to rant for a second - I'm friends with a bunch of Florida environmental groups on Facebook. One of them posted a link to a blog the other day that was about passion vines and sacrificing them for the sake of butterflies. So far, so good. But then it perpetuated this myth I've heard (and read) before about how Zebra Longwings prefer to lay eggs on Passion Vine planted in shade while Gulf Frits prefer those in full sun. Which is bunk! Zebra Longwings prefer native passion vines like P. lutea or my P. suberosa in the above picture. In fact, that P. suberosa is planted right on the edge of my driveway in blazing full sun! It's not a placement thing; it's a species thing. The Zebra Longwings have never laid eggs on my P. "Lavender Lady" although they will eat it if I'm hand-raising them. Not to mention the P. incarnata at the museum gets laid on by both species and it's in mostly sun. So I left my opinion in the comments and she basically said that was her experience. I looked again at the blog and I thought, "No wonder! You planted the P. suberosa in the shade and your P. "Lady Margaret" in the sun!" Duh! By the way, Gulf Frits will lay on any Passiflora; I don't think they care one way or the other. Oh, and then I noticed the blog (and the Facebook group) were run by the head of the Tampa Bay Estuary Program who I used to volunteer for until I got sick. And I just thought a scientist of that level shouldn't be perpetuating myths and should have more actual field experience before speaking on these things (or at least admit you're a newbie). She did link to the MOSI butterfly blog so that was a good thing, I guess.

I guess the moral of my story is that books are great resources and so is the internet, but trust your own observations as well. In fact, trust them more. I know the topic of "micro-climates" is big when discussing where to place plants and I think the same argument could be used for rearing butterflies. Your yard is a micro-climate of the larger climate around you. And what's true for your state or region may not be true in your yard. My Butterflies of Florida book claims the Palamedes ST is the most encountered Swallowtail in Florida. And when I read that, I was like, "Where in Florida do you live? The swamp?" Because that's where I see them - in the preserves where their host plants Red Bay and Swamp Bay grow. I've also read that Tiger Swallowtails south of Ocala (because they know where the city is, of course) will only use Sweetbay Magnolia as a host plant. But somehow that didn't keep one from laying eggs on my Black Cherry! (Granted, those eggs never hatched so I don't know if I could have raised them on it.) I'm just saying, you know what's true in your neck of the woods and while you should keep an open mind, make sure it's a skeptical mind. Science only advances when we ask questions.

Whew! Rant over; I feel better. Here's a Zebra Longwing I saw yesterday.

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And here's a Gulf Frit from today. I've got a lot of these flying around.

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And one of my ever-faithful Duskywings.

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FYI, I saw a Barred Yellow the other day when I was leaving but didn't have my camera. Those things never want to stop, anyway. It is kind of weird that I hadn't seen one yet this year; they're really common in my yard and this was pretty late to see the first one. I used to think they were Dainty Sulphurs but I got schooled by the butterfliesandmoths.org site. My Orange-Barred Sulphur did finally make his chrysalis - I keep forgetting how much larger they are than the Cloudless Sulphurs! My Spicebush cats are doing okay. They seem to be growing rather slow but I think some of them are hiding and I didn't feel like unfurling a bunch of leaves so the bigger ones may just be in their homes. The Pipevine cats are continuing to do well. I'm keeping them at least another week. I know I told my boss at MOSI I would probably give her some because I won't have enough food but I'm hanging on to them as long as I can! I'm still worried for when I'll have to switch them from Wooly Pipevine to Trilobed Pipevine. More pictures tomorrow after I volunteer at the museum, where I will try once again not to pass out in front of the guests. I'm going to go calm down now by petting my caterpillars. It always makes me feel better (not sure how they feel about it although the stinkhorns will let me know).
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May 31, 2014 7:01 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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Well, some bushes in my yard have been hosting something for a while that I had no clue about! Today I found a caterpillar on a clematis vine. I tried, but couldn't remember what it might be...okay, if you reach a certain age, you might be cursed with a memory problem like that. It didn't help that it wasn't on its host plant! I finally found the pic in my caterpillar book! This is a Crimson Patch caterpillar, that uses Flame Acanthus foliage. It had been a long time since the only other time these butterflies got this far north and laid eggs!
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Wish I'd seen the butterfly mama!
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