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Jun 19, 2014 5:52 PM CST
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Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Okay, here's some pictures where you can compare because I have one cat that hasn't molted yet. I also just went out to pick fresh food and found another Silver-Spotted Skipper! That one is in the middle of molting. I even had Dad come over and compare the two caterpillars just to make sure I wasn't losing it.

Here's the little guy who clearly doesn't have spots on his head.

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And here's the older one who has molted one more time and is now showing the spots. Dad said if he was a car he'd have headlights, LOL!

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I suppose if I had really looked close I would have noticed that the Silver-Spotted Skippers have stripes that loop around their bodies whereas the Long-Tailed Skippers stripes' run horizontally along their bodies. But I made the mistake of assuming and you know what they say about that. But, at least we all learned a little something about caterpillar identification. Plus, the importance of knowing your host plants and trusting your gut!
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Jun 19, 2014 6:49 PM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
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Awww, Melanie, they're so cute! I had a weird experience today. Some of my native Texas Milkweed have been under attack by Swamp Milkweed Beetles and their larva, which eats the foliage. I've killed any I can find. But anyway chewed-up leaves on those plants don't surprise me. Some of the plants are starting to bloom, so I went out today to try to pollinate them (that milkweed is self-incompatible and there's very few bees around). While doing this, I found something else on one. Two caterpillars, that didn't look like Queen caterpillars! Yes, they are Monarch cats! I've NEVER seen a Monarch butterfly or cat in June that I can recall! Last spring, only one Monarch cat survived to become a butterfly. The other 3 died, and it really made me so sad. So I hope these two cats aren't infected or parasitized! Here's a pic of one of them!
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I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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Jun 19, 2014 7:03 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Hooray for the Monarchs! Mine have slowed down; I've still got a few but I'm not inundated with them either. Neither is the museum, for that matter. But I saw one flying today in the yard so they're still around. I'm glad to know that you have them along the migration route because that's a very important part of nature we don't want to lose.
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Jun 19, 2014 7:29 PM CST
Name: Terri Hamilton
Rockford, Illinois (Zone 5b)
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mellielong said:Terri, I posted the picture of the Regal Moth the other day in this post: http://garden.org/thread/view_...



WOW!!
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Jun 19, 2014 7:33 PM CST
Name: Terri Hamilton
Rockford, Illinois (Zone 5b)
Butterflies Cat Lover Composter Organic Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
After letting rain rinse the container a couple times, I've moved the Black Swallowtail cat in. It just molted today so is now in third instar.

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It's a metal mesh trash basket. Covered the top with a mesh laundry bag that fits pretty well perfectly around the opening. It's sitting in our three-season room and I have several of the windows open and the ceiling fan going.
My blog, which occasionally talks about gardening: http://holity.blogspot.com/
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Jun 20, 2014 4:49 AM CST
Name: Ive
Florida (Zone 10b)
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Good morning!

Updating on our swallowtails again...one of the chrysalises has turned clear!
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How long now before the butterfly comes out?
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Jun 20, 2014 1:04 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Yup, once you can see the wing pattern it's just a matter of time until that sucker comes out. Usually the same day or maybe tomorrow. Let us know!

I don't have any butterfly pictures today; it's going to be all about caterpillars and eggs. But hopefully, you'll learn a thing or two. First up is my mystery Sulphur which I'm beginning to think is an Orange-Barred due to the fact that he hasn't turned green yet and he's sporting that blue pattern.

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I found two more Monarch refugees and moved them to the Giant Milkweed. Here's the bigger of the two.

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Now, I recently admitted my mistake in mixing up Silver-Spotted Skippers (SSS) with Long-Tailed Skippers (LTS). Well, I had a Long-Tailed Skipper lay eggs all over my butterfly pea today (more on that in a minute) and while I was looking I found three fairly large caterpillars. Unfortunately, I dropped one somewhere along the line because when I came in the house I only had two. Crying I knew once I started collecting eggs that I should have gone back in the house for a container, but I didn't listen to myself. I also dropped the sassafras leaf I had picked for my Spicebush cat that won't grow. So note to everyone - if you're going to be collecting eggs or caterpillars, bring something to carry them with. Now, back to the Long-Tailed Skipper cats, as you can see from the picture, LTS also have red spots on their head but they are slightly different. Also, you can see what I mean about them having an orange booty, just like the SSS did! But, as you can also see, the LTS have horizontal stripes with a prominent yellow stripe down their body whereas if you look back at the SSS photos, they have green ringed stripes around their body. Very hard to see when they're small, though.

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Now, LTS eggs are easy to find as they too tend toward the new growth, but their pattern of laying eggs can vary quite a bit. Most butterflies have a method - lay a single egg, lay a clump of eggs, etc. LTS do all of these things. My favorite is when they stack them in to weird chains like you see in the first photo. I always wonder how the eggs are sticking to each other?

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And here's some that have turned gray which means they are about to hatch. FYI, I did bring in all these eggs and I put them in a Gladware container. Since it's airtight or at least water tight, the food stays fresh and doesn't dry out too quick. In the critter keepers it dries out too fast. And I've never had problems with caterpillars not getting enough air if you're ever concerned about that (I have gotten that question before). Even if you just open it once or twice a day to put food in that seems to be fine. I don't think caterpillars breathe as much as we think they do. I'm not even sure what elements they need to breathe, to be honest. I'm assuming oxygen is important but I don't know much about how they breathe. Something to research!

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And speaking of eggs. I had a Gulf Frit cat on this very small piece of my Corkystem Passion Vine. The plant keeps trying to come back and the butterflies keep finding it before it can recover. I moved the Gulf Frit cat over to the other passion vine which is pretty chewed up. But as you can see from these yellow eggs, a Zebra Longwing laid some eggs, too. If they're still there on Sunday, I'll take them to MOSI, I guess.

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And in a bit of chrysalis news, here's what my Spicebush looks like right now. Expect to see it in about 10-12 days.

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Jun 20, 2014 2:03 PM CST
Name: Ive
Florida (Zone 10b)
Birds Butterflies Container Gardener Dragonflies Region: Florida Orchids
Plumerias Sempervivums Enjoys or suffers hot summers
I placed a little water and a bit of ripe banana at the bottom of the butterfly hotel. Hope that is ok for feeding...
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Jun 20, 2014 2:55 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Ive, are you going to free the butterfly once it comes out (you can wait until its wings dry, of course)? They don't really need water and Swallowtails aren't the kind to eat fruit for the most part. A butterfly can actually go quite a long time without feeding when they first come out. They have to wait several hours for their wings to fully dry so they don't eat for that time at all. I've had butterflies come out late in the evening and stay overnight in my house and not be released until well into the next morning and they're fine. So don't worry about it starving or anything! I don't know how you've placed the water, but make sure the butterfly can't fall into it because that would be bad. FYI, I've been in butterfly tents where they have "feeding times" which is basically where they hand you a Q-tip soaked in red Gatorade. And the butterflies will land on it and drink from it. But that would be a last resort kind of thing. I've made a lot of mistakes but I've never starved a butterfly yet!
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Jun 20, 2014 4:16 PM CST
Name: Ive
Florida (Zone 10b)
Birds Butterflies Container Gardener Dragonflies Region: Florida Orchids
Plumerias Sempervivums Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Well, I guess I should've waited to get a response... I already placed some water. It's a small container, but I came home and this beautiful creature was already out and about.

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It's the first swallowtail we've 'raised' indoors so we are all very excited! We plan to release it tomorrow.
The butterfly is very active now... not sure if I should attempt to retrieve the container...
Gardening is cheaper than therapy!
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Jun 20, 2014 5:01 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 21, 2014 10:31 AM CST
Name: Ive
Florida (Zone 10b)
Birds Butterflies Container Gardener Dragonflies Region: Florida Orchids
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Release day. ♡

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I am so happy my kiddo and I were able to share this experience.

The other chrysalis is getting clear, so I'm thinking our remaining swallowtail will come out sometime Sun or Mon. Lovey dubby
Gardening is cheaper than therapy!
Boricua in Florida, I guess that makes me a Floridicua!
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Jun 21, 2014 10:56 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

Congratulations!
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Jun 21, 2014 11:33 AM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
Organic Gardener Bookworm Enjoys or suffers hot summers Charter ATP Member Salvias Herbs
Bluebonnets Native Plants and Wildflowers Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Forum moderator Purslane Hummingbirder
Awww! So nice when children can experience such a wonderful event!
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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Jun 21, 2014 11:33 AM CST
Name: Linda Williams
Medina Co., TX (Zone 8a)
Organic Gardener Bookworm Enjoys or suffers hot summers Charter ATP Member Salvias Herbs
Bluebonnets Native Plants and Wildflowers Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Forum moderator Purslane Hummingbirder
Double post.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
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Jun 21, 2014 3:46 PM CST
Name: Dave
Dayton, TN (Zone 7a)
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One of the very few I have had in the yard this year BUT I did have a Monarch earlier today but was long gone before I could get my camera. Hopefully things will start picking up.

Red Spotted Purple
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Jun 21, 2014 4:01 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Melanie
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Butterflies Enjoys or suffers hot summers Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Bookworm
Region: Florida Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Identifier Salvias
I love Red-Spotted Purples but rarely see them. Maybe while I'm on vacation I'll spot one. The first one I ever saw was puddling outside a Wendy's in Kentucky where we stopped for lunch. It had drizzled all day so the ground was nice and moist to slurp those minerals from. When I was in my neighbor's yard last weekend I saw definite evidence of them on one of his cherry trees. They eat a very distinct pattern in the leaves. But I found no caterpillars. My cherry tree is too tall now for me to ever find the caterpillars but I saw a butterfly circling overhead last year. They're here, just not very common. And they do happen to be one of those butterflies that prefers rotting fruit and sap to nectar so I guess I don't have what it wants.
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Jun 21, 2014 4:22 PM CST
Name: Dave
Dayton, TN (Zone 7a)
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@mellielong Melanie get a dog. There is one thing they prefer more than rotting fruit and sap. *Blush*
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Jun 21, 2014 5:41 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Region: Ukraine Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Dog Lover
TennesseeDave said:@mellielong Melanie get a dog. There is one thing they prefer more than rotting fruit and sap. *Blush*


Are you kidding??? Is that why I have them here? Blinking Blinking Blinking

Ive, Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! for you & your son. I bet he was head over heels to raise & release such a pretty flutter by! Your son is totally cute BTW. Lovey dubby
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others. ~~ Sharon Brown
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Jun 21, 2014 6:23 PM CST
Name: Dave
Dayton, TN (Zone 7a)
Blessed beyond all merit.
Houseplants Lilies Birds Native Plants and Wildflowers Dog Lover Container Gardener
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@flaflwgrl Ann I kid you not. They will find the dog poop and they love it.

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