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Jun 20, 2014 4:58 PM CST
Name: Gloria Levely
Sanford Mi. (Zone 5b)
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Jun 22, 2014 11:05 AM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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We have a native rose here in Colorado. It's not the prettiest flower we have but it's one of the hardiest plants. It dies to the ground every winter but the root system is incredibly deep so it comes back every spring. Biggest one I've seen here was about 4' tall & a big branbly shrub. But mostly little bitty plants. But it truly shows that where's there's a will, there's a way.
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Jun 23, 2014 1:37 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Some of my roses are in full swing.. well, as full swing as they can be...

two different Intrigues.. one always throws slightly striped (white) blooms.
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Clare de Lune (pink) with Vavoom (I planted Vavoom here because I thought that Clare was gone.. apparently not!).. and a Dr. Huey in the background (need to shovel prune it)
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Tequila Sunset & RedGold
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Angel Face & Blue Bayou
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Elle & Orange Velvet
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Heirloom & Scentimental
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Sunsprite / Aromatherapy & Ruby Voodoo
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Kordes Perfecta & Perfume Tiger
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Tuscan Sun.. so pretty!!
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Heinrich Karsch, Vineyard Song, & Ring of Fire (all the minis are going full blast)
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Roses are one of my passions! Just opened, my Etsy shop (to fund my rose hobby)! http://www.etsy.com/shop/Tweet...
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Jun 23, 2014 3:35 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Wow! What a lot of blooms from roses that you had to prune back so strongly. Great show!
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Jun 23, 2014 5:51 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
Drooling Drooling

7 more days and I can stop dis-budding and have roses again.

Right now, I am trying to save a rose from a gopher attack. Wish me well.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Jun 23, 2014 5:55 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
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Pour some Pine-Sol around the rose. It won't kill the gopher, but he will move away from the rose and find other plants to bother.
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Jun 23, 2014 7:00 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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How long does the pine sol last? My mom has tried everything to keep the gophers from eating her roses
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Jun 23, 2014 7:11 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Forgot to post this earlier, but thanks to Zuzu & Sue, I got the elusive rose "Novelty". And she not only survived my winter, look at this gorgeous bloom!!

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Jun 23, 2014 7:16 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
Region: Ukraine Charter ATP Member Region: California Cat Lover Roses Clematis
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It doesn't last a long time. It's the smell that drives the gopher away from a particular spot. If he finds something good somewhere else, he might not come back. It's only a stopgap until a more effective method is utilized. I've battled gophers for 30 years and I've found that the only solution is to plant everything desirable in gopher-proof cages.
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Jun 23, 2014 7:17 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
Northern California (Zone 9a)
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I love Novelty! That's a really pretty bloom.
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Jun 23, 2014 8:32 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Xeriscape Region: Colorado Roses Cat Lover The WITWIT Badge
Zuzu - I think it's absolutely gorgeous! I think all 4 roses you sent to me survived.. I just need to do more trimming in the back & see who survived & who didn't. I lost quite a few unfortunately... I'm guessing I lost close to about 50 roses this winter. Sad It was a bad one this time. Sad
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Jun 23, 2014 8:48 PM CST
Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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Toni, I have some that are just now leafing out, while others have finished their first big flush. The weather affects some harshly and some not at all, and I don't know which genetics cause that. Factors such as dryness of the winter, or wind, or severity of cold temps, or temperature swings, or how soon in the fall it gets cold, or how soon it warms up or late freezes all play a part. Or how I planted them, or when, or how bad the summer was! Or if and when I fertilized!
you would have to keep great records for decades to really know what the deciding factor is.
I used to think my "blue" roses were weaker, but now that the survivors have been in the ground 3 years, i can say their die back was no more than the yellow or red roses.
Julia Child dies back farther than other yellows, and Belinda's Dream is frost sensitive for pinks. But both handle heat better than anything else out there. A few of the OGR's I bought and planted last fall didn't make it this winter. Several of the HT's didn't. Maybe in a few weeks I'll be able to catch my breath and get my spreadsheets updated, and then I'll list what croaked and look back at their lineage.
Lyn could probably pinpoint the weak genes just from my casualty list.
One of my favorite rose testing and display gardens is gone. Totally wiped out. Does anyone know what the disease is that caused the disaster in Tulsa? RRD was the first round, but supposedly, some horrible virus from Texas finished them off. I heard this at a conference this past weekend. Blinking Crying Crying Crying
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Jun 23, 2014 8:57 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
Zuzu ...

Thanks for the Pine-Sol tip.

I think I got the gopher(s) for now. I haven't seen any new gopher activity in that bed for over two weeks.

This bed is where Mrs J planted her roses decades ago. It was only 8" wide. I made the bed 3' wide. I think the Dr. H roots extend out under the lawn as I have had suckers come up next to the foundation of the house. There is no way she could have deep watered the roses, so I am guessing they got most of their water needs met when she watered the lawn because the roots go to where the water is available.

There is no way I am going to even try to dig up a rose that has been growing on Dr. H for decades. If the gopher wins, he wins. It's orange ... not my favorite color for a rose. Right now, I am working to save the rose without trying to dig it up.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Jun 23, 2014 9:01 PM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Cindi - Everyone's who's survived has got leaves on them. I'm talking about grey canes. not just brown winterkill, but totally grey and brittle. Dead. Dead dead dead. I lost sooo many.. even my DH notices the huge holes in the front yard. this time last year, my yard was wall-to-wall with roses. This year, it's sparse as a desert. It's horrible. People are nice & say that it looks great, but I know it looks like crapzilla. Only thing that seemed to survive quite well was the stinking bind weed!! Can't kill that stuff... no matter how hard I try. LOLLL Actually, no, most of my agastaches made it, the salvias mostly made it, the sunshine bluebeards made it, the lilacs.. but the roses.. ugh. It's just depressing.. so much $ and effort (and blood sweat & tears) and all dead. Bleh. And it's probably almost 100% my fault (dumped too much mulch on them and they suffocated). Debating on making an order with either RU or Heirloom.. it's just so late in the season for ordering and it's almost too late to try & put them in the ground. We're probably gonna get a very wet winter this year..
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Jun 25, 2014 9:13 AM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
@CindiKS, Cindi

I have been mulling over your post and thinking about how I really wanted to respond.

In your post you mentioned many variables that could impact the survival of a rose in your garden. That's the truth about roses. There are many, many variables that can make a difference about how a rose performs in different climates.

Some roses are heavy feeders, some are not. Some roses need to be pruned hard, while others will sulk at hard pruning. Some roses are more thirsty than others. The list of variables seems to go on and on. Then soil and climate also impact the performance of plants. No one know it all, but learning about those variables can make a difference in growing roses in your garden.

Knowing the lineage of a rose is only one variable. If you know the lineage contains roses that are generally weaker roses, it gives you an edge about how to care for it, or it tells you that this is an "iffy" rose for your garden.

Yes, I am happy to share lineage information that might explain one of the variables, but it's one voice and only one variable.

I have two roses in my garden that I know are good roses, but they were total duds in my garden, even tho' they had been growing here for over three years. Last spring I moved them to different sites and in one year they have tripled in size in and are more vigorous plants. It's those variables at work. Other than siting, nothing else had changed. I had originally sited them in the coldest micro-climate in my garden.

I had to learn the botany of roses simply because of the people that have been in my rose life. People have been successfully growing roses without that information for centuries. So, if the information I have learned helps someone meet their own gardening goals, that's great.

If I can pass along what I have been taught to help people grow stronger plants and what I have learned from handling almost a 1000 roses over my rose life, then I've met my own personal goal of teaching about roses. There is so much misinformation about how to grow roses in books and on the net, even by people who should know better, that putting the information out there might make a difference in someone's success rate. That's it.

I also experiment a lot in my rose growing based upon theory and let the roses become my teacher. My 'Cardinal Hume' which I pegged a couple of years ago, is now a vigorous shrub rose growing above the fern the was blocking the light to the rose. The rose was reaching for the light and I just helped it along. It's still a shrub rose, but now that it is growing above the fern, it has leafed out well and is a bloom machine. It was an impulse decision to peg it and I learned something in the process. Again, nothing changed except how I decided to grow the rose. The rose was my teacher.

My experiment in saving the rose ravaged by the dang gopher came from reading the ATP article about vine weevils destroying the roots and the root mass being too small to support the top growth. I just connected a couple of dots and told myself, that is what the gopher had done to the rose ... destroyed the root mass. So I cut the top growth back and am working at growing roots. If I am successful in saving the rose, then I have learned something new.

@Zuzu's tip about Pine-Sol is going to come into play, if I see more gopher activity in that bed. I do plan to line the whole bed with hardware cloth when it is not so hot. I don't want to mess with the roots during the summer months when it is so hot up here.

It's just another one of my experiments.

Five more days and I can stop dis-budding. The roses are pushing buds so fast that I can't keep up, so there is a little curculio damage in the garden. Yeah, another one of my experiments. That's a lot of how I learn about roses.

Smiles,
Lyn
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Jun 25, 2014 6:31 PM CST
Name: Gloria Levely
Sanford Mi. (Zone 5b)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: United States of America Roses Peonies Region: Michigan
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Thank You! Lyn !!
I love to read your posts I learn things I would never have thought about .
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Jun 26, 2014 12:44 AM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
Hilarious! Thank You!
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
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Jun 28, 2014 8:02 AM CST
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Birds Garden Ideas: Master Level Salvias Garden Procrastinator Irises I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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What a difference a few weeks makes!!

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Jun 28, 2014 8:14 AM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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Looking good!
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Jun 28, 2014 4:07 PM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
Looks great, Toni ... Thumbs up
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