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Name: Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Plant Identifier
growitall
Jun 14, 2014 6:48 PM CST
@JonnaSudenius
Hi,
Your two photos posted under Stachys macrantha are actually Stachys officinalis.
Could you please ask to have them moved?
Thanks,
Lori
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe (Zone 6a)
Sedums Winter Sowing Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Belgium Region: Europe
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Salvias Herbs Cut Flowers
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JonnaSudenius
Jun 17, 2014 1:19 PM CST
Hi Lori,

I do not agree with you. Please have a look at my website to see the difference between the 2 plants. I have them both. [url=www.seedsite.eu]www.seedsite.eu[/url]
Always open to your comments.

Kind regards,
Jonna
Name: Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Plant Identifier
growitall
Jun 17, 2014 9:33 PM CST
Hi,Jonna,
The main differences are habit, leaf shape and character of the flower spike.
The habit of Stachys macrantha is to form a wide, bushy mound of foliage, with flowering stems extending slightly above the foliage. The flower racemes are short, and the individual flowers are quite large. The basal leaves are broad and heart-shaped. Here are some examples:
http://em.ca/garden/per_stachys_mac1.html
http://www.levensgarden.com/2011/06/stachys-macrantha.html
http://rhs.org.uk/Plants/50675/Betony-Superba/Details

By contrast, Stachys officinalis has an upright habit, with long flower spikes of small flowers held on long upright stems. The leaves are strongly elongated and arranged at intervals up the long, upright stems.
Some examples:
http://www.findmeplants.co.uk/photo-stachys-officinalis.aspx...
http://www.lejardindesophie.net/jardinautes/sophie/paplantes...
Even this compact 'Densiflorus' selection shows the same upright, long-stemmed character of Stachys officinalis, though dwarfed: http://www.songsparrow.com/catalog/plantdetails.cfm?ID=3254&...
Leaves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stachys_officinalis#mediaviewer...

This article has more photos that show the differences and also compares them in a chart:
http://www.chicagobotanic.org/downloads/planteval_notes/no27...
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe (Zone 6a)
Sedums Winter Sowing Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Region: Belgium Region: Europe
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Salvias Herbs Cut Flowers
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JonnaSudenius
Nov 4, 2014 1:50 PM CST
Hi Lori, sorry that I didn't reply to your post.
I'm fighting breast cancer, and I have only a little energy.
Hope to come back to your post later.

Jonna
Name: Lori
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Plant Identifier
growitall
Nov 4, 2014 8:11 PM CST
So sorry to hear that, Jonna. I wish you all the best with it.
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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
Sacramento California (Zone 9b)
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HamiltonSquare
Nov 9, 2014 2:58 PM CST
Jonna I hope this finds you strong. I have this same plant and the label said macrantha and I submitted the photo and Lori saw it. You know the rest. She was correct then and now. Have a look in the database and you'll see the differences. I tip my hat to you.
Thumb of 2014-11-09/HamiltonSquare/b21208 Here is a photo of several stages of maturity from Hamilton Square Perennial Garden.

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