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Jun 21, 2014 10:34 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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I can't see any stipules on the photos on the website Lori, there are the remains of twisted petioles. I doubt a young plant would behave in the same way as a mature one.
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Jun 21, 2014 9:32 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
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JRsbugs said:
Are you sure you haven't got that the wrong way around for Actaea Rick?

https://gobotany.newenglandwil...

I don't think so...
from the site you give:

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Jun 22, 2014 4:46 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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Huh! The photos tell a different story Rick! Rolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 22, 2014 7:10 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
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JRsbugs said:Huh! The photos tell a different story Rick! Rolling on the floor laughing


Sometimes it's difficult to tell which are are petioles and which are actually stems. If you look at where the flower peduncle arises from, it can get very confusing!
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Jun 22, 2014 7:36 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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Which goes to show I should have read what it said underneath! The photos from above appear to show opposite leaves, but those which appear to be must have been part of the extended leaf petiole!

I can see the single petiole coming off the main stem in the last photo ..

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Jun 22, 2014 1:54 PM CST
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oh the plant tag that is there.. is from plants that didn't make it.. years past.. just never removed them
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Jun 22, 2014 1:55 PM CST
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believe it says iris jumping
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Jun 23, 2014 12:00 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
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I see what you mean, and this is true in most cases with bipinnate leaf structures, like Kentucky Coffee trees, for instance. But Actaea is far more confusing....

Any "normal" person would say this plant is opposite leafed from this pic below, but look again....
See where the peduncle (floral stem) junctures? A real stem has to extend at least to there. So this "single" stem could actually be a multi-stem structure. Not sure, though. It could just be one stem - the central portion (that everyone would call the stem) that terminates where the peduncle originates.
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Likewise, the floral stem does not arise from the "central stem" in your copied pic above either, but originates in a similar manner.

It's pretty clear that Mother nature doesn't follow man-made rules! Hilarious!
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Jun 24, 2014 2:20 PM CST
Name: Jeanie
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I'm going to suggest someting in the clematis heracleifolia group. I have Alan Bloom and the leaves and stems really look like your plant. And this variety does spread seeds.

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Old gardeners never die. They are just pruned and repotted.
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Jun 24, 2014 5:10 PM CST
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so it's a keeper?
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Jun 24, 2014 5:24 PM CST
Name: Jeanie
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If that's truly what it is, in my opinion yes -- but you need to know it gets very large (like 4' x 5'), and it does spread and reseed. Personally I have had more issues with it spreading out than reseeding. Seems like it will just keep going and going if you let it. I don't mind because I think it's gorgeous, and bees and butterflies love it. It also looks somewhat like Mrs. Robert Brydon which is a pillar clematis. I have included a photo of that also. The leaves and stems look very similar.



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Jun 24, 2014 6:02 PM CST
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Name: Allison
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ooohhh don't beat me up.. please.. could it be clem stans??

http://www.anniesannuals.com/s...

I did get that in a swap last year.. you jogged my memory I think
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Jun 24, 2014 6:09 PM CST
Name: Jeanie
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By George, I think you've got it. At least I was in the right genus for once. Sticking tongue out
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Jun 24, 2014 6:11 PM CST
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you guys are the greatest!!!.. had to go dig through the old thread on DG to find it.. but at least I can move / tag it now.. thank you!!! Hurray!
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Jun 25, 2014 6:39 AM CST
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Jun 25, 2014 4:40 PM CST
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me too.. thanks for all your help and brain power to wake my brain up Thumbs up
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Jun 27, 2014 7:03 PM CST
Name: Linnea
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Reminded me of this, but on closer look....
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