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Aug 1, 2014 10:59 AM CST
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Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
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Would anyone be interested in this? I know I am, just had quite a few ID in the butterfly forum. Then maybe we could get a bug file nodding
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Aug 1, 2014 11:01 AM CST
Name: Catherine
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Yes, I would be very interested! Great Idea! Thumbs up
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Aug 1, 2014 11:05 AM CST
Name: greene
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Up until now some have been using the Pest and Disease Forum to ask for IDs.
I like the idea of an Insect/Bug/Butterfly/Spider ID Forum what ever it may be named.
Wonder if we have any resident bug-ologists' who cold moderate the forum?
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Aug 1, 2014 11:09 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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@JRsBugs is our resident bug expert. What do you think Janet?
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Aug 1, 2014 11:14 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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I think a ["Garden Insect" ID Forum] would be a great asset to the site! Janet is so very knowledgeable when it comes to identifying buggy critters. Green Grin!
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Aug 1, 2014 11:17 AM CST
Name: Catherine
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I agree I like that name, Lin!
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Aug 1, 2014 11:18 AM CST
Name: greene
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I agree plantladylin is so diplomatic! Thumbs up
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Aug 1, 2014 11:20 AM CST
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Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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I thought of Janet too, she ID my bugs Hurray!
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Aug 1, 2014 11:20 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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"Garden Insect ID" fits ... or it could be "Garden Critter ID" Green Grin!
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Aug 1, 2014 11:34 AM CST
Name: greene
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Sheesh, no, please not 'critters' - my dog just saw his first Armadillo. No telling what kind of critters would fit under that title. Whistling
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Aug 1, 2014 11:36 AM CST
Name: Catherine
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Yes, because it will probably get other "critters" besides insects that someone may need/want to have ID on.
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Aug 1, 2014 11:36 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
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LOL, there are lots of garden critters ... Rabbits, Deer, Raccoons, Armadillos, Snakes, Lizards ... but yeah, I think insects or bugs is the best fit for the possible forum in question since those other critters are easily identified. Smiling
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Aug 1, 2014 11:39 AM CST
Name: Carole
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I agree Plus there is already a Gardening for Wildlife forum.
I garden for the pollinators.
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Aug 1, 2014 11:45 AM CST
Name: greene
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Yep, I agree 'Garden Insect ID' is a very good title.
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Aug 1, 2014 11:51 AM CST
Name: Catherine
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I agree
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Aug 1, 2014 12:35 PM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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dave said:@JRsBugs is our resident bug expert. What do you think Janet?


Thanks for the call Dave. Smiling

I don't really know! It depends largely on how many people here feel the need for one I guess, I know some already post on other forums but these forums don't encompass everything. It's impossible to encompass everything, but I find most people who are noticing insects haven't yet got to the stage of looking for everything that moves like I have. Hilarious!

The significance of that, is it would be 'relatively' easy to ID most insects as it's usually the most common insects which are noticed. Most people don't realise just how complicated and involved insect ID is, or maybe they do, but what I'm getting at is the huge numbers of insects there are of which most people are not aware exist. For example, we have over 250 species of bees (around 280 listed) in the UK, Europe has I think around 600, the US has something like 4,000 bee species alone!

http://bugguide.net/node/view/...

Flies are a different story, the numbers are much larger with a mind-boggling number of species. For example, we have in this country a tiny fly which eats other tiny insects called Platypalpus in the family Hybotidae, they are around 2 to 3mm in size and there's dozens of different species although I think I have only about 4 species. You can't identify them to species without a specimen and a key (if there is a key!), then you need to be able to understand terminology and how it applies so you need experts in the particular family. Genus is about as far as you would get for many insects without a specimen, although there are many insects which can be identified if you have very good photos from many angles and that usually requires a very dedicated photographer with a camera and macro lens with the capacity to capture good enough detail.

Because of the difficulties of determination to species I'm not in favour of a Bug Files as such. There are specialist sites here and in Europe for such as flies, of which I am a member of both, and I have managed to determine to species level many flies I get in my garden but there's plenty more I can only get to genus. I've been at it since around 2006 and it's been a long and difficult journey, but it's paid off as I now can quite easily 'usually' recognise where an insect belongs, and to which family it belongs to. If one starts to put insects into categories with little knowledge of the very similar species which it could be, one soon loses credibility.

That doesn't mean there should not be a place where people can try to find out what they have, and I can help as much as I can. Anyone is welcome to post on my cubit too, but if people would feel more comfortable using a forum here that's fine with me.
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Aug 1, 2014 1:20 PM CST
Name: woofie
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I dunno. This seems a bit redundant, since we do have the Pests and Diseases forum. Perhaps that forum could be modified and expanded? Maybe we could get @OldGardener to chime in here?
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Aug 1, 2014 1:24 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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hmm, I forgot about that ... how about a name change to "Garden Insect, Pests and Diseases"?
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Aug 1, 2014 1:31 PM CST
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Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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I thought of the Pests and Diseases forum but there are so many that aren't pests. I think it needs to be labeled as an ID forum so members know where to go.
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Aug 1, 2014 1:36 PM CST
Name: greene
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ID - Insects Good or Bad and Diseases?
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General ID Garden Insects, Bugs, & Diseases
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