Roses forum: Conjoined rose hip, x3!

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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 7, 2014 9:51 AM CST
Triplet rose hip! This is on multiflora rose this particular plant gets twin hips too. I've never seen this on any garden roses yet. I grew the seeds from this hip, the plant is crazy it grew super fast and has stems coming out all weird and extra stems.

How rare is this, and if hybridized with garden roses could it create a new super hybrid?
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Aug 7, 2014 10:59 AM CST
I know nothing about hybridizing, but this is really interesting!
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roseseek
Aug 11, 2014 3:44 PM CST
Fused plant parts do occur, but what I would be cautious of with your multiflora is Rose Rosette Virus.

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/you...

You should be extra vigilant and cautious anywhere the disease occurs and, in particular, where multiflora grows wildly as it is the main host.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Aug 11, 2014 11:27 PM CST
Keith ...

To answer the second part your specific question " if hybridized with garden roses could it create a new super hybrid?"

The answer is a yes, it can be used in a cross with other garden roses. HelpMeFind lists 12,518 descendants.

I suggest you do some reading about hybridizing roses as the topic is too complex for this forum. Species roses and garden roses have different chromosome counts which makes the outcome from a cross of a species roses with a garden rose less likely to be successful. However, there have been a lot of studies about how a breeder can develop a new rose using species roses in the lineage.

If you choose to use r. multiflora in your breeding program, Kim's caution about any new rose with r. multiflora in it's lineage being highly susceptible to RRD is something you should consider carefully.

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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Aug 12, 2014 8:13 AM CST
Keith I hate to dampen your enthusiasm in any way, but...out here, Rose Rosette Virus is rampant, and we are digging out and destroying any multiflora rose that we come across. I hope this disease doesn't reach your area, but as a precaution, I would recommend not growing any multiflora. There are so many better roses.
Weird stems and extra stems sure sounds like RRD. I have removed 35 much loved roses from my property because of RRD, so I am very familiar with the beginning symptoms. Sorry.........
As a precaution, you might want to disinfect any tools you use with this rose. We use Chlorox wipes here.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Aug 12, 2014 9:35 AM CST
I would be interested to see pictures of the rest of the plant demonstrating the conjoined hips.
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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Feb 16, 2015 11:05 PM CST
I'll have to wait until the mother plant and offspring have filled out in summer to compare. Mother plant is huge has to be 5 feet wide and canes thicker than my fingers.
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Name: Patty W
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Pattyw5
Feb 17, 2015 10:50 AM CST
I agree with Cindy that your description of growth sounds very much like rrd. RRD has been found in New York. To bad we didn't see a picture of the mother plant in 2014. Either way you should know when the rose leafs out in spring. At least rrd in not known to spread thru seed. Good luck!
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Feb 17, 2015 1:30 PM CST
Pattyw5 said: I agree with Cindy that your description of growth sounds very much like rrd. RRD has been found in New York. To bad we didn't see a picture of the mother plant in 2014. Either way you should know when the rose leafs out in spring. At least rrd in not known to spread thru seed. Good luck!


Every year the mother plant gets a few of these conjoined hips. The offspring grown from seed was grown in my yard, the mother plant is at a park and Multiflora rose grows wild even in yards here. So if you say it's not passed on through seed the vigorous growth and crazy stems in offspring is probably genetic, it's looks very healthy but I will remember to share photos to show.
Name: Patty W
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Pattyw5
Feb 17, 2015 2:12 PM CST
If your rose looked really heathy it probably is. RRD is really ugly and gives a definite look of something is seriously wrong. It's most likely the terms used in describing the growth. Please do show pics. in spring they well be interesting.
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Pattyw5
Feb 17, 2015 2:23 PM CST
By the way multiflora is no more susceptible than any other rose. RRD began in wild multiflora and those in the know at that time saw rrd as a way of eliminating this invasive rose. Multiflora remains as a vector because it is so difficult to eliminate.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Feb 17, 2015 3:07 PM CST
Pattyw5 said:By the way multiflora is no more susceptible than any other rose. RRD began in wild multiflora and those in the know at that time saw rrd as a way of eliminating this invasive rose. Multiflora remains as a vector because it is so difficult to eliminate.


Some multiflora never get it and they are tough roses that pretty much take care of themselves, but that's what I admire about them and also why many hybrids from them exist today.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Apr 30, 2015 1:26 PM CST
Here's the photos of the mother plant, looks healthy to me and HUGE!
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