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Aug 16, 2014 7:50 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
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Good point about the water -- especially for plants that prefer an acid soil ! Thumbs up
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Aug 16, 2014 9:26 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Oh, gee, hadn't thought about the water. And we have a well and the water here is extremely hard. Actually, I have one of those meters, but I must not be using it correctly because I get very variable results with it.
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Aug 16, 2014 9:37 AM CST
Name: Sue
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At the supermarket check-out today I saw a magazine with the headline "is your pH making you fat?". Smiling On a more serious note, there is an article on the website of the National Gardening Association that gives more detailed and therefore usable instructions for the test under discussion, it actually gives measurements, unlike the first article. It is for one tablespoon of DRY soil, add some drops of vinegar. If it fizzes the pH is above 7.5. Take one tablespoon of WET soil, add a pinch of baking soda and if it fizzes the pH is below 5. Then they correctly suggest that if either of the tests is positive then get a proper pH test so that you can adjust the pH accordingly.

It might be helpful to put this in a little perspective. The pH scale is logarithmic, which means there is a big difference between points on the scale, ten times difference. So a pH of 5 is ten times more acidic than a pH of 6. A pH of 5 is 100 times more acidic than a pH of 7; a pH of 5 is 1,000 more acidic than a pH of 8, and so on.

Different plants have different preferred ranges. Some don't like to go above 6.5, for example. The vinegar/baking soda test isn't going to help with that because it's only purporting to tell you that your soil is somewhere below 5 or somewhere above 7.5. The comment about the pH of the water making a difference is correct, so if you're going to do the wet soil test it needs to be with water that won't change the result, or with soil that is already wet from the garden (which I would think is the better option).

It looks like a fun test to try but given the huge differences between points on the pH scale, and that the test doesn't cater for anything between about 5 and 7.5, and can't tell you how much amendment to use to fix any pH problem, it seems better just to get a proper pH test, whether with a meter, from the extension service, or from a private lab. Then you have a number with which to work.
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Aug 16, 2014 10:16 AM CST
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That's even better .. doesn't waste as much stuff.
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Aug 16, 2014 11:29 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Thanks for taking the time to research this, Sue. That is very helpful information!
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Aug 16, 2014 1:05 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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woofie said:Thanks for taking the time to research this, Sue. That is very helpful information!


I agree Smiling
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Aug 17, 2014 7:57 PM CST
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I talk about water because I deal with people with gardens all over the US. California soils are usually very alkaline and many people there tell me that their water can be as much as 8.2 pH. In Austin, they have the same problem. I know 2 people who live there that have "water sheds" because their piped in water is so alkaline. For those who haven't seen one, picture a detached 2 car garage with gutters all the way around and all the water goes down into huge water tanks that use up just about the entire inside space. Now that is serious about having good water for your plants!
This may not help everyone, but to give another perspective some people set up an injector into their irrigation system that injects vinegar to lower the pH. This is something that is constant but only had to be tended to when refilling the tank.
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Aug 17, 2014 8:28 PM CST
Name: Elaine
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I've been after my DH to set up something like that for our well water. Any ideas how to do it without it costing an arm and a leg?

Surely most nurseries operate on well water in Florida and you'd think they must have a simple system to lower the pH of the well water.
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Aug 17, 2014 8:51 PM CST
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Well, you can't go wrong with a Dositron. Smiling One guy down in Ft. Lauderdale used a cheap proportioner and a five gallon bucket, and he got good results.

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